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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Dear Steven,

thanks a lot for that info. Also Temurins Java 25 does not support Ubuntu 20.04. So it is time for an upgrade of my Ubuntu-System now. Then the newer Java should be no problem any more. I will test also on the mac meanwhile…

Best wishes,

Jan Jacob


sound         |         movement         |         object         |        space
sonic architecture       |       site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition   |    higher order ambisonic music

> Am 09.03.2026 um 01:38 schrieb Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>:
> 
> Ah, I think support for 20.04 will be removed once 26.04 comes out next month, FWIW. I use Temurin releases of JDK on mac and windows (part of adoptium project). I haven't tested on Linux in a while but they have instructions on installation for Debian-based distros here:
> 
> https://adoptium.net/installation/linux#_deb_installation_on_debian_or_ubuntu
> 
> I don't know if 20.04 is supported, however. 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 3:47 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...> wrote:
> Java 25 lts sounds like the right choice for the future. It seems 
> though, that it is not possible to install it on my  Ubuntu 20.04.
> I'll try to get forward with testing on the mac...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jan Jacob
> 
> sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
> sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
> 
> Am 08.03.26 um 16:10 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > Glad you got the download links! The latest Blue now requires Java 25. 
> > It's the most recenter long-term support (LTS) release and I felt 
> > comfortable committing to using it.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 11:09 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann 
> > <jj...@so...> wrote:
> >
> >     Dear Steven,
> >
> >     I now installed the snapshot on linux but it does not start up
> >     properly.
> >     I suppose I am not running the right version of java for it. What
> >     I have is:
> >     openjdk 21.0.10 2026-01-20
> >
> >     Which would be the right version of java to install?
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Jan Jacob
> >
> >
> >     sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
> >     sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> >     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
> >
> >     Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
> >     > Thank Jan Jacob!
> >     >
> >     > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the
> >     blue.app <http://blue.app>
> >     > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will
> >     use.
> >     > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't
> >     work with
> >     > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to
> >     edit
> >     > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for
> >     both the
> >     > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
> >     >
> >     > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
> >     > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder
> >     that
> >     > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the
> >     > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other
> >     > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on
> >     macOS, and
> >     > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the
> >     > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
> >     >
> >     > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much
> >     appreciate the
> >     > assistance in testing!
> >     >
> >     > Steven
> >     >
> >     > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
> >     > <jj...@so...> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Dear Steven,
> >     >
> >     >     great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
> >     >     install
> >     >     the test-version of blue besides the current version without
> >     >     interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
> >     >     Linux
> >     >     Ubuntu.
> >     >
> >     >     Cheers,
> >     >
> >     >     Jan Jacob
> >     >
> >     >     sound      |      movement       |       object  |  space
> >     >     sonic architecture     |     site:
> >     https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> >     >     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order
> >     ambisonic music
> >     >
> >     >     Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> >     >     > Hi all,
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
> >     >     > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
> >     >     to do,
> >     >     > but I think things are at a point where the new system is
> >     ready for
> >     >     > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are
> >     builds on
> >     >     > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
> >     >     >
> >     >     > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I still have to create new documentation for all of this,
> >     but some
> >     >     > general notes:
> >     >     >
> >     >     > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> >     >     > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> >     >     > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
> >     >     960, so
> >     >     > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> >     >     > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
> >     >     Beats or
> >     >     > Time time units and primary ruler
> >     >     > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
> >     >     you can
> >     >     > view both beats and time
> >     >     > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> >     >     > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
> >     >     global,
> >     >     > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
> >     >     time. (For
> >     >     > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
> >     >     objects,
> >     >     > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
> >     >     unit, or
> >     >     > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration
> >     issues
> >     >     and
> >     >     > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback
> >     for things
> >     >     > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
> >     >     through
> >     >     > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of
> >     you that
> >     >     > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Any feedback appreciated!
> >     >     > Steven
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Ah, I think support for 20.04 will be removed once 26.04 comes out next
month, FWIW. I use Temurin releases of JDK on mac and windows (part of
adoptium project). I haven't tested on Linux in a while but they have
instructions on installation for Debian-based distros here:

https://adoptium.net/installation/linux#_deb_installation_on_debian_or_ubuntu

I don't know if 20.04 is supported, however.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 3:47 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...>
wrote:

> Java 25 lts sounds like the right choice for the future. It seems
> though, that it is not possible to install it on my  Ubuntu 20.04.
> I'll try to get forward with testing on the mac...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan Jacob
>
> sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
> sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>
> Am 08.03.26 um 16:10 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > Glad you got the download links! The latest Blue now requires Java 25.
> > It's the most recenter long-term support (LTS) release and I felt
> > comfortable committing to using it.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 11:09 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann
> > <jj...@so...> wrote:
> >
> >     Dear Steven,
> >
> >     I now installed the snapshot on linux but it does not start up
> >     properly.
> >     I suppose I am not running the right version of java for it. What
> >     I have is:
> >     openjdk 21.0.10 2026-01-20
> >
> >     Which would be the right version of java to install?
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Jan Jacob
> >
> >
> >     sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
> >     sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> >     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
> >
> >     Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
> >     > Thank Jan Jacob!
> >     >
> >     > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the
> >     blue.app <http://blue.app>
> >     > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will
> >     use.
> >     > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't
> >     work with
> >     > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to
> >     edit
> >     > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for
> >     both the
> >     > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
> >     >
> >     > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
> >     > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder
> >     that
> >     > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the
> >     > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other
> >     > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on
> >     macOS, and
> >     > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the
> >     > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
> >     >
> >     > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much
> >     appreciate the
> >     > assistance in testing!
> >     >
> >     > Steven
> >     >
> >     > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
> >     > <jj...@so...> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Dear Steven,
> >     >
> >     >     great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
> >     >     install
> >     >     the test-version of blue besides the current version without
> >     >     interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac
> and
> >     >     Linux
> >     >     Ubuntu.
> >     >
> >     >     Cheers,
> >     >
> >     >     Jan Jacob
> >     >
> >     >     sound      |      movement       |       object  |  space
> >     >     sonic architecture     |     site:
> >     https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> >     >     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order
> >     ambisonic music
> >     >
> >     >     Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> >     >     > Hi all,
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while
> to
> >     >     > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further
> testing
> >     >     to do,
> >     >     > but I think things are at a point where the new system is
> >     ready for
> >     >     > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are
> >     builds on
> >     >     > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
> >     >     >
> >     >     > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I still have to create new documentation for all of this,
> >     but some
> >     >     > general notes:
> >     >     >
> >     >     > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> >     >     > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> >     >     > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
> >     >     960, so
> >     >     > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> >     >     > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
> >     >     Beats or
> >     >     > Time time units and primary ruler
> >     >     > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so
> that
> >     >     you can
> >     >     > view both beats and time
> >     >     > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> >     >     > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
> >     >     global,
> >     >     > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
> >     >     time. (For
> >     >     > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
> >     >     objects,
> >     >     > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
> >     >     unit, or
> >     >     > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration
> >     issues
> >     >     and
> >     >     > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback
> >     for things
> >     >     > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
> >     >     through
> >     >     > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of
> >     you that
> >     >     > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Any feedback appreciated!
> >     >     > Steven
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > _______________________________________________
> >     >     > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> >     >     > Blu...@li...
> >     >     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     _______________________________________________
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> >     > Blu...@li...
> >     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Java 25 lts sounds like the right choice for the future. It seems 
though, that it is not possible to install it on my  Ubuntu 20.04.
I'll try to get forward with testing on the mac...

Cheers,

Jan Jacob

sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music

Am 08.03.26 um 16:10 schrieb Steven Yi:
> Glad you got the download links! The latest Blue now requires Java 25. 
> It's the most recenter long-term support (LTS) release and I felt 
> comfortable committing to using it.
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 11:09 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann 
> <jj...@so...> wrote:
>
>     Dear Steven,
>
>     I now installed the snapshot on linux but it does not start up
>     properly.
>     I suppose I am not running the right version of java for it. What
>     I have is:
>     openjdk 21.0.10 2026-01-20
>
>     Which would be the right version of java to install?
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Jan Jacob
>
>
>     sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
>     sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>
>     Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
>     > Thank Jan Jacob!
>     >
>     > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the
>     blue.app <http://blue.app>
>     > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will
>     use.
>     > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't
>     work with
>     > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to
>     edit
>     > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for
>     both the
>     > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
>     >
>     > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
>     > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder
>     that
>     > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the
>     > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other
>     > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on
>     macOS, and
>     > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the
>     > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
>     >
>     > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much
>     appreciate the
>     > assistance in testing!
>     >
>     > Steven
>     >
>     > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
>     > <jj...@so...> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Dear Steven,
>     >
>     >     great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
>     >     install
>     >     the test-version of blue besides the current version without
>     >     interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
>     >     Linux
>     >     Ubuntu.
>     >
>     >     Cheers,
>     >
>     >     Jan Jacob
>     >
>     >     sound      |      movement       |       object  |  space
>     >     sonic architecture     |     site:
>     https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>     >     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order
>     ambisonic music
>     >
>     >     Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
>     >     > Hi all,
>     >     >
>     >     > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
>     >     > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
>     >     to do,
>     >     > but I think things are at a point where the new system is
>     ready for
>     >     > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are
>     builds on
>     >     > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>     >     >
>     >     > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>     >     >
>     >     > I still have to create new documentation for all of this,
>     but some
>     >     > general notes:
>     >     >
>     >     > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
>     >     > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
>     >     > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
>     >     960, so
>     >     > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
>     >     > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
>     >     Beats or
>     >     > Time time units and primary ruler
>     >     > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
>     >     you can
>     >     > view both beats and time
>     >     > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
>     >     > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
>     >     global,
>     >     > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
>     >     time. (For
>     >     > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
>     >     objects,
>     >     > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
>     >     unit, or
>     >     > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>     >     >
>     >     > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration
>     issues
>     >     and
>     >     > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback
>     for things
>     >     > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
>     >     through
>     >     > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of
>     you that
>     >     > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>     >     >
>     >     > Any feedback appreciated!
>     >     > Steven
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     > _______________________________________________
>     >     > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>     >     > Blu...@li...
>     >     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     >
>     >
>     >
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Glad you got the download links! The latest Blue now requires Java 25. It's
the most recenter long-term support (LTS) release and I felt comfortable
committing to using it.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 11:09 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...>
wrote:

> Dear Steven,
>
> I now installed the snapshot on linux but it does not start up properly.
> I suppose I am not running the right version of java for it. What I have
> is:
> openjdk 21.0.10 2026-01-20
>
> Which would be the right version of java to install?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan Jacob
>
>
> sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
> sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>
> Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > Thank Jan Jacob!
> >
> > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the blue.app
> > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will use.
> > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't work with
> > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to edit
> > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for both the
> > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
> >
> > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
> > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder that
> > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the
> > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other
> > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on macOS, and
> > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the
> > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
> >
> > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much appreciate the
> > assistance in testing!
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
> > <jj...@so...> wrote:
> >
> >     Dear Steven,
> >
> >     great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
> >     install
> >     the test-version of blue besides the current version without
> >     interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
> >     Linux
> >     Ubuntu.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Jan Jacob
> >
> >     sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
> >     sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> >     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
> >
> >     Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> >     > Hi all,
> >     >
> >     > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
> >     > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
> >     to do,
> >     > but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for
> >     > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on
> >     > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
> >     >
> >     > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
> >     >
> >     > I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
> >     > general notes:
> >     >
> >     > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> >     > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> >     > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
> >     960, so
> >     > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> >     > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
> >     Beats or
> >     > Time time units and primary ruler
> >     > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
> >     you can
> >     > view both beats and time
> >     > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> >     > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
> >     global,
> >     > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
> >     time. (For
> >     > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
> >     objects,
> >     > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
> >     unit, or
> >     > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
> >     >
> >     > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues
> >     and
> >     > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things
> >     > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
> >     through
> >     > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that
> >     > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
> >     >
> >     > Any feedback appreciated!
> >     > Steven
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
> >     > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> >     > Blu...@li...
> >     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
> >
> >
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     Bluemusic-users mailing list
> >     Blu...@li...
> >     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> > Blu...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Dear Steven,

I now installed the snapshot on linux but it does not start up properly. 
I suppose I am not running the right version of java for it. What I have is:
openjdk 21.0.10 2026-01-20

Which would be the right version of java to install?

Cheers,

Jan Jacob


sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music

Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
> Thank Jan Jacob!
>
> Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the blue.app 
> <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will use. 
> On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't work with 
> Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to edit 
> jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for both the 
> old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
>
> The other thing is that your blue application settings will get 
> shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder that 
> has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the 
> folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other 
> data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on macOS, and 
> I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the 
> "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
>
> I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much appreciate the 
> assistance in testing!
>
> Steven
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann 
> <jj...@so...> wrote:
>
>     Dear Steven,
>
>     great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
>     install
>     the test-version of blue besides the current version without
>     interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
>     Linux
>     Ubuntu.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Jan Jacob
>
>     sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
>     sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>     spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>
>     Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
>     > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
>     to do,
>     > but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for
>     > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on
>     > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>     >
>     > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>     >
>     > I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
>     > general notes:
>     >
>     > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
>     > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
>     > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
>     960, so
>     > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
>     > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
>     Beats or
>     > Time time units and primary ruler
>     > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
>     you can
>     > view both beats and time
>     > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
>     > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
>     global,
>     > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
>     time. (For
>     > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
>     objects,
>     > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
>     unit, or
>     > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>     >
>     > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues
>     and
>     > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things
>     > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
>     through
>     > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that
>     > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>     >
>     > Any feedback appreciated!
>     > Steven
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>     > Blu...@li...
>     > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Bluemusic-users mailing list
>     Blu...@li...
>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Dear Dave and Steven,

thanks, now it worked. I missed to sign in, so there was no active link.

Cheers,

Jan Jacob

sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music

Am 08.03.26 um 15:11 schrieb Steven Yi:
> On that page near the bottom is "Artifacts". If you log into Github, 
> that area will show download links for each build. (I just checked and 
> without logging in it shows the artifact hashes but no download links.)
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 9:15 AM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>     Jan Jacob,
>
>     Click the "4" link under Artifacts,
>
>     - Dave
>
>     On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 7:49 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann
>     <jj...@so...> wrote:
>
>         Dear Steven,
>
>         thanks, I will try that. However i did not find any
>         possibility to
>         download at:
>         https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>
>         I am not so familiar with github. How can I download it?
>
>         Best,
>
>         Jan Jacob
>
>
>         sound | movement | object | space
>         sonic architecture | site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>         spatial electronic composition | higher order ambisonic music
>
>         Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
>         > Thank Jan Jacob!
>         >
>         > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the
>         blue.app <http://blue.app>
>         > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it
>         will use.
>         > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't
>         work with
>         > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might
>         have to edit
>         > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it
>         for both the
>         > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
>         >
>         > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
>         > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home
>         folder that
>         > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also
>         the
>         > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and
>         other
>         > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on
>         macOS, and
>         > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in
>         the
>         > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache
>         Directory).
>         >
>         > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much
>         appreciate the
>         > assistance in testing!
>         >
>         > Steven
>         >
>         > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
>         > <jj...@so...> wrote:
>         >
>         > Dear Steven,
>         >
>         > great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
>         > install
>         > the test-version of blue besides the current version without
>         > interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
>         > Linux
>         > Ubuntu.
>         >
>         > Cheers,
>         >
>         > Jan Jacob
>         >
>         > sound      |      movement       |       object  |  space
>         > sonic architecture     |     site:
>         https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>         > spatial electronic composition    |    higher order
>         ambisonic music
>         >
>         > Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
>         > > Hi all,
>         > >
>         > > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
>         > > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
>         > to do,
>         > > but I think things are at a point where the new system is
>         ready for
>         > > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are
>         builds on
>         > > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>         > >
>         > > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>         > >
>         > > I still have to create new documentation for all of this,
>         but some
>         > > general notes:
>         > >
>         > > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
>         > > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
>         > > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
>         > 960, so
>         > > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
>         > > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
>         > Beats or
>         > > Time time units and primary ruler
>         > > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
>         > you can
>         > > view both beats and time
>         > > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
>         > > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
>         > global,
>         > > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
>         > time. (For
>         > > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
>         > objects,
>         > > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
>         > unit, or
>         > > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>         > >
>         > > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration
>         issues
>         > and
>         > > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback
>         for things
>         > > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
>         > through
>         > > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of
>         you that
>         > > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>         > >
>         > > Any feedback appreciated!
>         > > Steven
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > _______________________________________________
>         > > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>         > > Blu...@li...
>         > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>         > Blu...@li...
>         > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>         > Blu...@li...
>         > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         Bluemusic-users mailing list
>         Blu...@li...
>         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     Blu...@li...
>     https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

On that page near the bottom is "Artifacts". If you log into Github, that
area will show download links for each build. (I just checked and without
logging in it shows the artifact hashes but no download links.)

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 9:15 AM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> Jan Jacob,
>
> Click the "4" link under Artifacts,
>
> - Dave
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 7:49 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Steven,
>>
>> thanks, I will try that. However i did not find any possibility to
>> download at:
>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>>
>> I am not so familiar with github. How can I download it?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jan Jacob
>>
>>
>> sound | movement | object | space
>> sonic architecture | site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>> spatial electronic composition | higher order ambisonic music
>>
>> Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
>> > Thank Jan Jacob!
>> >
>> > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the blue.app
>> > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will use.
>> > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't work with
>> > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to edit
>> > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for both the
>> > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
>> >
>> > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
>> > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder that
>> > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the
>> > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other
>> > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on macOS, and
>> > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the
>> > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
>> >
>> > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much appreciate the
>> > assistance in testing!
>> >
>> > Steven
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
>> > <jj...@so...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Steven,
>> >
>> > great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
>> > install
>> > the test-version of blue besides the current version without
>> > interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
>> > Linux
>> > Ubuntu.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jan Jacob
>> >
>> > sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
>> > sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
>> > spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>> >
>> > Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
>> > > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
>> > to do,
>> > > but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for
>> > > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on
>> > > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>> > >
>> > > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>> > >
>> > > I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
>> > > general notes:
>> > >
>> > > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
>> > > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
>> > > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
>> > 960, so
>> > > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
>> > > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
>> > Beats or
>> > > Time time units and primary ruler
>> > > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
>> > you can
>> > > view both beats and time
>> > > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
>> > > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
>> > global,
>> > > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
>> > time. (For
>> > > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
>> > objects,
>> > > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
>> > unit, or
>> > > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>> > >
>> > > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues
>> > and
>> > > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things
>> > > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
>> > through
>> > > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that
>> > > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>> > >
>> > > Any feedback appreciated!
>> > > Steven
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>> > > Blu...@li...
>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>> > Blu...@li...
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bluemusic-users mailing list
>> > Blu...@li...
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>> Blu...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

Jan Jacob,

Click the "4" link under Artifacts,

- Dave

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 7:49 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...>
wrote:

> Dear Steven,
>
> thanks, I will try that. However i did not find any possibility to
> download at:
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>
> I am not so familiar with github. How can I download it?
>
> Best,
>
> Jan Jacob
>
>
> sound | movement | object | space
> sonic architecture | site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition | higher order ambisonic music
>
> Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > Thank Jan Jacob!
> >
> > Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the blue.app
> > <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will use.
> > On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't work with
> > Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to edit
> > jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for both the
> > old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
> >
> > The other thing is that your blue application settings will get
> > shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder that
> > has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the
> > folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other
> > data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on macOS, and
> > I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the
> > "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
> >
> > I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much appreciate the
> > assistance in testing!
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann
> > <jj...@so...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Steven,
> >
> > great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
> > install
> > the test-version of blue besides the current version without
> > interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
> > Linux
> > Ubuntu.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jan Jacob
> >
> > sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
> > sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> > spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
> >
> > Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
> > > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
> > to do,
> > > but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for
> > > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on
> > > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
> > >
> > > I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
> > > general notes:
> > >
> > > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> > > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> > > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
> > 960, so
> > > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> > > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
> > Beats or
> > > Time time units and primary ruler
> > > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
> > you can
> > > view both beats and time
> > > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> > > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
> > global,
> > > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
> > time. (For
> > > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
> > objects,
> > > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
> > unit, or
> > > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
> > >
> > > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues
> > and
> > > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things
> > > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
> > through
> > > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that
> > > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
> > >
> > > Any feedback appreciated!
> > > Steven
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> > > Blu...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Blu...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
> >
> >
> >
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> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Dear Steven,

thanks, I will try that. However i did not find any possibility to 
download at:
https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228

I am not so familiar with github. How can I download it?

Best,

Jan Jacob


sound | movement | object | space
sonic architecture | site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition | higher order ambisonic music

Am 07.03.26 um 20:18 schrieb Steven Yi:
> Thank Jan Jacob!
>
> Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the blue.app 
> <http://blue.app> embeds the exact version of Java that it will use. 
> On Linux it will be a little trickier since older Blue won't work with 
> Java 25 I think. If you install multiple Java, you might have to edit 
> jdkhome variable in blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for both the 
> old blue and new blue to point to different java installations).
>
> The other thing is that your blue application settings will get 
> shared. I would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder that 
> has your score, instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the 
> folder where blue saves things like window configuration and other 
> data, which is in ~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on macOS, and 
> I'm not quite sure exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the 
> "About Blue" panel that shows User Directory and Cache Directory).
>
> I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much appreciate the 
> assistance in testing!
>
> Steven
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann 
> <jj...@so...> wrote:
>
> Dear Steven,
>
> great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to
> install
> the test-version of blue besides the current version without
> interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and
> Linux
> Ubuntu.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan Jacob
>
> sound      |      movement       |       object       |  space
> sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>
> Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
> > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing
> to do,
> > but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for
> > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on
> > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
> >
> > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
> >
> > I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
> > general notes:
> >
> > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to
> 960, so
> > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound
> Beats or
> > Time time units and primary ruler
> > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that
> you can
> > view both beats and time
> > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If
> global,
> > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global
> time. (For
> > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new
> objects,
> > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time
> unit, or
> > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
> >
> > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues
> and
> > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things
> > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working
> through
> > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that
> > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
> >
> > Any feedback appreciated!
> > Steven
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> > Blu...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bluemusic-users mailing list
> Blu...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Thanks Dave, appreciate it!

On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 2:00 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi Steven,
>
> I will do some testing in the next few days, probably mostly focused on
> how the new build handles my old/existing projects.
>
> - Dave
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 5:43 PM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to go through
>> and test/fix things. I've still got further testing to do, but I think
>> things are at a point where the new system is ready for general testing. If
>> you're willing to help out, there are builds on GIthub Actions for
>> Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>>
>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>>
>> I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
>> general notes:
>>
>> - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
>> (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
>> (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to 960, so BBT
>> ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
>> - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound Beats or
>> Time time units and primary ruler
>> - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that you can
>> view both beats and time
>> - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
>> - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If global, it
>> will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global time. (For legacy
>> projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new objects, it will use
>> global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time unit, or local if the
>> primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>>
>> I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues and
>> migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things that
>> work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working through
>> beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that primarily
>> work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>>
>> Any feedback appreciated!
>> Steven
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>> Blu...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Bluemusic-users mailing list
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Thank Jan Jacob!

Yes you should be able to. It's easier on macOS because the blue.app embeds
the exact version of Java that it will use. On Linux it will be a little
trickier since older Blue won't work with Java 25 I think. If you install
multiple Java, you might have to edit jdkhome variable in
blue/etc/blue.conf (may need to do it for both the old blue and new blue to
point to different java installations).

The other thing is that your blue application settings will get shared. I
would suggest making a copy of your .blue home folder that has your score,
instrument, udo libraries, etc. There's also the folder where blue saves
things like window configuration and other data, which is in
~/Library/Application Support/blue/dev on macOS, and I'm not quite sure
exactly where it is on Linux (it shows in the "About Blue" panel that shows
User Directory and Cache Directory).

I think that should be all for doing this safely. Much appreciate the
assistance in testing!

Steven

On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 1:06 PM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...>
wrote:

> Dear Steven,
>
> great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to install
> the test-version of blue besides the current version without
> interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and Linux
> Ubuntu.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan Jacob
>
> sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
> sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music
>
> Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to
> > go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing to do,
> > but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for
> > general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on
> > GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
> >
> > https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
> >
> > I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some
> > general notes:
> >
> > - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> > (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> > (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to 960, so
> > BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> > - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound Beats or
> > Time time units and primary ruler
> > - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that you can
> > view both beats and time
> > - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> > - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If global,
> > it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global time. (For
> > legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new objects,
> > it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time unit, or
> > local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
> >
> > I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues and
> > migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things
> > that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working through
> > beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that
> > primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
> >
> > Any feedback appreciated!
> > Steven
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> > Blu...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bluemusic-users mailing list
> Blu...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

Hi Steven,

I will do some testing in the next few days, probably mostly focused on how
the new build handles my old/existing projects.

- Dave

On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 5:43 PM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to go through
> and test/fix things. I've still got further testing to do, but I think
> things are at a point where the new system is ready for general testing. If
> you're willing to help out, there are builds on GIthub Actions for
> Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>
> I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some general
> notes:
>
> - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
> (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
> (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to 960, so BBT
> ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound Beats or
> Time time units and primary ruler
> - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that you can
> view both beats and time
> - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If global, it
> will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global time. (For legacy
> projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new objects, it will use
> global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time unit, or local if the
> primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>
> I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues and
> migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things that
> work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working through
> beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that primarily
> work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>
> Any feedback appreciated!
> Steven
> _______________________________________________
> Bluemusic-users mailing list
> Blu...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Dear Steven,

great, yes, I will be glad to help testing. Is it possible, to install 
the test-version of blue besides the current version without 
interference or overwriting  something? I can test it on Mac and Linux 
Ubuntu.

Cheers,

Jan Jacob

sound      |      movement       |       object       |       space
sonic architecture     |     site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition    |    higher order ambisonic music

Am 06.03.26 um 23:43 schrieb Steven Yi:
> Hi all,
>
> Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to 
> go through and test/fix things. I've still got further testing to do, 
> but I think things are at a point where the new system is ready for 
> general testing. If you're willing to help out, there are builds on 
> GIthub Actions for Windows/macOS/Linux at:
>
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228
>
> I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some 
> general notes:
>
> - Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT 
> (bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST 
> (bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to 960, so 
> BBT ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
> - migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound Beats or 
> Time time units and primary ruler
> - there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that you can 
> view both beats and time
> - you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
> - Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If global, 
> it will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global time. (For 
> legacy projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new objects, 
> it will use global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time unit, or 
> local if the primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)
>
> I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues and 
> migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things 
> that work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working through 
> beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that 
> primarily work in clock time if the UI works for you.
>
> Any feedback appreciated!
> Steven
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bluemusic-users mailing list
> Blu...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users

[Bluemusic-users] Request for Testing (Time Unit work)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Hi all,

Given all the changes for time units, it's taken me a while to go through
and test/fix things. I've still got further testing to do, but I think
things are at a point where the new system is ready for general testing. If
you're willing to help out, there are builds on GIthub Actions for
Windows/macOS/Linux at:

https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/22782949228

I still have to create new documentation for all of this, but some general
notes:

- Time signatures and bars/beats time units: there's BBT
(bars.beats.ticks), BBF (bars.beats.fraction), and BBST
(bars.beats.sixteenths.ticks). For ticks, PPQ is hardcoded to 960, so BBT
ticks will go 0-959, and BBST ticks will go from 0-239).
- migration *should* work for older projects to map to Csound Beats or Time
time units and primary ruler
- there is now configuration to show a secondary ruler so that you can view
both beats and time
- you can right-click the Snap button to change snap unit
- Piano Roll modified to have a global or local time view. If global, it
will show the timeline ruler as a window into the global time. (For legacy
projects, it will migrate to local time view. For new objects, it will use
global if the primary ruler is set to a beat time unit, or local if the
primary ruler is set to a clock time unit.)

I'm most curious that older projects don't have migration issues and
migrate as you would expect, and in general any feedback for things that
work as expected. I have been mostly testing and working through
beat-oriented views, so I'm curious to know for those of you that primarily
work in clock time if the UI works for you.

Any feedback appreciated!
Steven

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Latest musings on Blue

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Thanks Dave and Jan Jacob!

I'd like to make Blue sync via SMPTE with video. I'm not sure how long it
will take to get through integration with blue-engine as I also have some
proof-of-concept work for audio visualizations (e.g., VU meters, FFT
spectrograms, etc.) that may take a little time to coordinate. I'll plan to
do a research session soon to see what it might take to get video
synchronization done.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 4:17 AM Jan Jacob Hofmann <jj...@so...>
wrote:

> Dear Steven,
>
> that sounds intriguing - thank you so much for your work! Does that mean,
> that blue could be used easier for the composition of soundtracks for film
> when a SMPTE-timecode is available in the future? It would be so cool to be
> able to synchronize blue with a little window showing the film or even
> programs for video editing.
> But whatever is about to come: I am as curious as I am glad about blue!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jan Jacob
>
>
>
>
>
> sound         |         movement         |         object         |
> space
> sonic architecture       |       site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
> spatial electronic composition   |    higher order ambisonic music
>
> > Am 29.01.2026 um 17:43 schrieb Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>:
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I hope this email finds you well. I thought I'd let you all know that
> I've been a little slow going on rather large Blue change but it's starting
> to accelerate now that I have some time to work on Blue. I've introduced
> two things that are somewhat big and work together:
> >
> > 1. Time Units: Up until now, time units have been in Csound beats and
> the ruler in Blue's timeline has had a pseudo-timecode option. This has
> been sufficient for a long time, but I wanted to introduce different time
> units that can be configured globally and per-object. So far there is
> CsoundBeats, Time (hh:mm:ss.ms), SMPTE, Bars.Beats.Ticks,
> Bar.Beats.Fraction, Bars.Beats.Sixteenths.Ticks, and Samples.
> >
> > 2. Time Signatures (meters): this works in tandem with musical divisions
> of time for bars/beats/etc.
> >
> > There's a lot of internal work that's largely done, and I'm currently
> working through a number of UI changes to integrate the above. This
> includes multiple time rulers on the timeline (going back and forth on
> this, as I'm consulting most of the popular DAWs out there for reference
> and there's different approaches). I've had a time view centered up top in
> the develop branch that I didn't love but hadn't revisited until now. I
> will be redoing this to focus on current playback indicator time and have a
> little clearer UI for the selection start/end.
> >
> > Once the main work is done, I will have to look through various sound
> object editors to also adjust for the above (e.g., piano roll subtimeline).
> >
> > Overall, it's a big change that I will have to be careful about
> backwards compatibility, but I think it will be a good development.
> >
> > Once this is complete, I will be moving to reworking the blue engine. I
> have already developed a blue-engine executable that will run in a separate
> process that handles running csound and doing automations in native C++.
> The effects of this design should improve performance with better
> separation between audio thread and the UI layer. Additionally, it opens up
> paths should I ever want to move to a different language/UI layer. (For
> those technically interested, blue-engine uses shared memory for
> communicating values as well as ZeroMQ (ZMQ) for messaging.I have test code
> in Java, C, Rust, Python, and Node.js that works with blue-engine.)
> >
> > Cheers and all best,
> > Steven
> >
> >
> >
> > <image.png>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bluemusic-users mailing list
> > Blu...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>
>
>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Latest musings on Blue

[Jan J. H. <jj...@so...>]

Dear Steven,

that sounds intriguing - thank you so much for your work! Does that mean, that blue could be used easier for the composition of soundtracks for film when a SMPTE-timecode is available in the future? It would be so cool to be able to synchronize blue with a little window showing the film or even programs for video editing.
But whatever is about to come: I am as curious as I am glad about blue!

Best wishes,

Jan Jacob





sound         |         movement         |         object         |        space
sonic architecture       |       site: https://www.sonicarchitecture.de
spatial electronic composition   |    higher order ambisonic music

> Am 29.01.2026 um 17:43 schrieb Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>:
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I hope this email finds you well. I thought I'd let you all know that I've been a little slow going on rather large Blue change but it's starting to accelerate now that I have some time to work on Blue. I've introduced two things that are somewhat big and work together:
> 
> 1. Time Units: Up until now, time units have been in Csound beats and the ruler in Blue's timeline has had a pseudo-timecode option. This has been sufficient for a long time, but I wanted to introduce different time units that can be configured globally and per-object. So far there is CsoundBeats, Time (hh:mm:ss.ms), SMPTE, Bars.Beats.Ticks, Bar.Beats.Fraction, Bars.Beats.Sixteenths.Ticks, and Samples. 
> 
> 2. Time Signatures (meters): this works in tandem with musical divisions of time for bars/beats/etc. 
> 
> There's a lot of internal work that's largely done, and I'm currently working through a number of UI changes to integrate the above. This includes multiple time rulers on the timeline (going back and forth on this, as I'm consulting most of the popular DAWs out there for reference and there's different approaches). I've had a time view centered up top in the develop branch that I didn't love but hadn't revisited until now. I will be redoing this to focus on current playback indicator time and have a little clearer UI for the selection start/end. 
> 
> Once the main work is done, I will have to look through various sound object editors to also adjust for the above (e.g., piano roll subtimeline). 
> 
> Overall, it's a big change that I will have to be careful about backwards compatibility, but I think it will be a good development. 
> 
> Once this is complete, I will be moving to reworking the blue engine. I have already developed a blue-engine executable that will run in a separate process that handles running csound and doing automations in native C++. The effects of this design should improve performance with better separation between audio thread and the UI layer. Additionally, it opens up paths should I ever want to move to a different language/UI layer. (For those technically interested, blue-engine uses shared memory for communicating values as well as ZeroMQ (ZMQ) for messaging.I have test code in Java, C, Rust, Python, and Node.js that works with blue-engine.)
> 
> Cheers and all best,
> Steven
> 
> 
> 
> <image.png>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Latest musings on Blue

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

Sounds great, Steven! I appreciate your work.

- Dave

On Thu, Jan 29, 2026 at 11:43 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> I hope this email finds you well. I thought I'd let you all know that I've
> been a little slow going on rather large Blue change but it's starting to
> accelerate now that I have some time to work on Blue. I've introduced two
> things that are somewhat big and work together:
>
> 1. Time Units: Up until now, time units have been in Csound beats and the
> ruler in Blue's timeline has had a pseudo-timecode option. This has been
> sufficient for a long time, but I wanted to introduce different time units
> that can be configured globally and per-object. So far there is
> CsoundBeats, Time (hh:mm:ss.ms), SMPTE, Bars.Beats.Ticks,
> Bar.Beats.Fraction, Bars.Beats.Sixteenths.Ticks, and Samples.
>
> 2. Time Signatures (meters): this works in tandem with musical divisions
> of time for bars/beats/etc.
>
> There's a lot of internal work that's largely done, and I'm currently
> working through a number of UI changes to integrate the above. This
> includes multiple time rulers on the timeline (going back and forth on
> this, as I'm consulting most of the popular DAWs out there for reference
> and there's different approaches). I've had a time view centered up top in
> the develop branch that I didn't love but hadn't revisited until now. I
> will be redoing this to focus on current playback indicator time and have a
> little clearer UI for the selection start/end.
>
> Once the main work is done, I will have to look through various sound
> object editors to also adjust for the above (e.g., piano roll subtimeline).
>
> Overall, it's a big change that I will have to be careful about backwards
> compatibility, but I think it will be a good development.
>
> Once this is complete, I will be moving to reworking the blue engine. I
> have already developed a blue-engine executable that will run in a separate
> process that handles running csound and doing automations in native C++.
> The effects of this design should improve performance with better
> separation between audio thread and the UI layer. Additionally, it opens up
> paths should I ever want to move to a different language/UI layer. (For
> those technically interested, blue-engine uses shared memory for
> communicating values as well as ZeroMQ (ZMQ) for messaging.I have test code
> in Java, C, Rust, Python, and Node.js that works with blue-engine.)
>
> Cheers and all best,
> Steven
>
>
>
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[Bluemusic-users] Latest musings on Blue

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Hi All!

I hope this email finds you well. I thought I'd let you all know that I've
been a little slow going on rather large Blue change but it's starting to
accelerate now that I have some time to work on Blue. I've introduced two
things that are somewhat big and work together:

1. Time Units: Up until now, time units have been in Csound beats and the
ruler in Blue's timeline has had a pseudo-timecode option. This has been
sufficient for a long time, but I wanted to introduce different time units
that can be configured globally and per-object. So far there is
CsoundBeats, Time (hh:mm:ss.ms), SMPTE, Bars.Beats.Ticks,
Bar.Beats.Fraction, Bars.Beats.Sixteenths.Ticks, and Samples.

2. Time Signatures (meters): this works in tandem with musical divisions of
time for bars/beats/etc.

There's a lot of internal work that's largely done, and I'm currently
working through a number of UI changes to integrate the above. This
includes multiple time rulers on the timeline (going back and forth on
this, as I'm consulting most of the popular DAWs out there for reference
and there's different approaches). I've had a time view centered up top in
the develop branch that I didn't love but hadn't revisited until now. I
will be redoing this to focus on current playback indicator time and have a
little clearer UI for the selection start/end.

Once the main work is done, I will have to look through various sound
object editors to also adjust for the above (e.g., piano roll subtimeline).

Overall, it's a big change that I will have to be careful about backwards
compatibility, but I think it will be a good development.

Once this is complete, I will be moving to reworking the blue engine. I
have already developed a blue-engine executable that will run in a separate
process that handles running csound and doing automations in native C++.
The effects of this design should improve performance with better
separation between audio thread and the UI layer. Additionally, it opens up
paths should I ever want to move to a different language/UI layer. (For
those technically interested, blue-engine uses shared memory for
communicating values as well as ZeroMQ (ZMQ) for messaging.I have test code
in Java, C, Rust, Python, and Node.js that works with blue-engine.)

Cheers and all best,
Steven



[image: image.png]

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

Thanks very much, Steven. No problem going back to 6 for now, the 7 windows
installer needs some work before I will run it again. I'll need to clean
out all the files and re-install 6 again.

- Dave

On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 1:20 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:

> BTW: I re-triggered an actions build for the new-timeline branch. Haven't
> tested it but there's artifacts available here:
>
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/10766925758
>
> The downside is that it won't work with Csound 7 so you'd have to go back
> to Csound 6 with this one.
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 8:21 PM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can figure out. I know the override
>> has to do with a change to the Csound constructor to take in OPCODE7DIR64
>> override. I'm sending in NULL from Java but it seems it's getting some
>> random memory. Will see if I can get CS6 back in.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 4:21 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Running in the console, I see
>>>
>>> OPCODEDIR overridden to Hët$WHâ∞ Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X
>>> WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'Hët$WHâ∞
>>> Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X': No such file or directory
>>> orchname:  Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>> main: failed to open input file - Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 3:40 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I resolved a few issues (see my threads in the dev list), but I
>>>> still get an error trying to run in blue, with no error message other than
>>>> the command line.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:55 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Depending on what I hear on the dev list, I may have to return to v6,
>>>>> in which case I'll need that older version of blue.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:42 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll post this to the dev list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following
>>>>>>> error:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching
>>>>>>> argument types:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found:
>>>>>>>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Candidates:
>>>>>>>   i ftgen iiiiim
>>>>>>>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>>>>>>>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>>>>>>>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>>>>>>>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>>>>>>>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Line: 24
>>>>>>>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
>>>>>>> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ; sine table
>>>>>>> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ; tanh function
>>>>>>> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4,
>>>>>>> 4/3, 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
>>>>>>> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32,
>>>>>>> 151/128, 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
>>>>>>> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
>>>>>>> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
>>>>>>> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4,
>>>>>>> 14/11, 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no
>>>>>>>> longer works. I get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its
>>>>>>>> entirely):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>>>>>>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>>>>>>>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>>>>>>>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>>>>>>>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for
>>>>>>>>> that older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will
>>>>>>>>> give csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>>>>>>>> start exercising it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>>>>>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>>>>>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>>>>>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>>>>>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be
>>>>>>>>>> difficult for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm
>>>>>>>>>> moving forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a
>>>>>>>>>> csound 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm
>>>>>>>>>> library to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may
>>>>>>>>>> not get to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare
>>>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try
>>>>>>>>>> using the build artifact from this build:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>>>>>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from
>>>>>>>>>> today will be using it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt
>>>>>>>>>>> extension on both files.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash
>>>>>>>>>>> log (unzipped).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes
>>>>>>>>>>>> with that branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>> dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed, since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well when I get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> days, I have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens, I hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop button) in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experimenting. I'm attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed through.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> en_US (blue)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here it is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back at that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> console):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Environment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9, mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ptrs, g1 gc, windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blu...@li...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

BTW: I re-triggered an actions build for the new-timeline branch. Haven't
tested it but there's artifacts available here:

https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/10766925758

The downside is that it won't work with Csound 7 so you'd have to go back
to Csound 6 with this one.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 8:21 PM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:

> Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can figure out. I know the override
> has to do with a change to the Csound constructor to take in OPCODE7DIR64
> override. I'm sending in NULL from Java but it seems it's getting some
> random memory. Will see if I can get CS6 back in.
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 4:21 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Running in the console, I see
>>
>> OPCODEDIR overridden to Hët$WHâ∞ Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X
>> WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'Hët$WHâ∞
>> Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X': No such file or directory
>> orchname:  Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>> main: failed to open input file - Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 3:40 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> I resolved a few issues (see my threads in the dev list), but I
>>> still get an error trying to run in blue, with no error message other than
>>> the command line.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:55 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Depending on what I hear on the dev list, I may have to return to v6,
>>>> in which case I'll need that older version of blue.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:42 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll post this to the dev list.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following
>>>>>> error:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching
>>>>>> argument types:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Found:
>>>>>>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Candidates:
>>>>>>   i ftgen iiiiim
>>>>>>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>>>>>>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>>>>>>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>>>>>>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>>>>>>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Line: 24
>>>>>>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
>>>>>> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ; sine table
>>>>>> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ; tanh function
>>>>>> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4,
>>>>>> 4/3, 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
>>>>>> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32,
>>>>>> 151/128, 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
>>>>>> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
>>>>>> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
>>>>>> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4, 14/11,
>>>>>> 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no
>>>>>>> longer works. I get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its
>>>>>>> entirely):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>>>>>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>>>>>>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>>>>>>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>>>>>>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for
>>>>>>>> that older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will
>>>>>>>> give csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>>>>>>> start exercising it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>>>>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>>>>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>>>>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>>>>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be
>>>>>>>>> difficult for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm
>>>>>>>>> moving forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a
>>>>>>>>> csound 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm
>>>>>>>>> library to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may
>>>>>>>>> not get to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare
>>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try
>>>>>>>>> using the build artifact from this build:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>>>>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from
>>>>>>>>> today will be using it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt
>>>>>>>>>> extension on both files.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash
>>>>>>>>>> log (unzipped).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard
>>>>>>>>>>> for me to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes
>>>>>>>>>>> with that branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <
>>>>>>>>>>> dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that
>>>>>>>>>>>> failed, since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as
>>>>>>>>>>>> well when I get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> days, I have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this
>>>>>>>>>>>> happens, I hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the
>>>>>>>>>>>> stop button) in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> experimenting. I'm attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed through.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue
>>>>>>>>>>>> 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8;
>>>>>>>>>>>> en_US (blue)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>> dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected, Here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> console):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Environment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9, mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ptrs, g1 gc, windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blu...@li...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>]

Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can figure out. I know the override
has to do with a change to the Csound constructor to take in OPCODE7DIR64
override. I'm sending in NULL from Java but it seems it's getting some
random memory. Will see if I can get CS6 back in.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 4:21 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> Running in the console, I see
>
> OPCODEDIR overridden to Hët$WHâ∞ Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X
> WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'Hët$WHâ∞
> Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X': No such file or directory
> orchname:  Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
> main: failed to open input file - Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 3:40 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> I resolved a few issues (see my threads in the dev list), but I still get
>> an error trying to run in blue, with no error message other than the
>> command line.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:55 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Depending on what I hear on the dev list, I may have to return to v6, in
>>> which case I'll need that older version of blue.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:42 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll post this to the dev list.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following
>>>>> error:
>>>>>
>>>>> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching argument
>>>>> types:
>>>>>
>>>>> Found:
>>>>>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>>>>>
>>>>> Candidates:
>>>>>   i ftgen iiiiim
>>>>>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>>>>>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>>>>>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>>>>>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>>>>>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>>>>>
>>>>> Line: 24
>>>>>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
>>>>> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>>>>>
>>>>> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>>>>>
>>>>> ; sine table
>>>>> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>>>>>
>>>>> ; tanh function
>>>>> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>>>>>
>>>>> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4,
>>>>> 4/3, 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
>>>>> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32,
>>>>> 151/128, 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
>>>>> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
>>>>> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
>>>>> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4, 14/11,
>>>>> 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no longer works.
>>>>>> I get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its entirely):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>>>>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>>>>>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>>>>>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>>>>>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for
>>>>>>> that older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will
>>>>>>> give csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>>>>>> start exercising it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>>>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>>>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>>>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>>>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be
>>>>>>>> difficult for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm
>>>>>>>> moving forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a
>>>>>>>> csound 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm
>>>>>>>> library to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may
>>>>>>>> not get to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare
>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try using
>>>>>>>> the build artifact from this build:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>>>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from
>>>>>>>> today will be using it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt
>>>>>>>>> extension on both files.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash
>>>>>>>>> log (unzipped).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard
>>>>>>>>>> for me to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes
>>>>>>>>>> with that branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that
>>>>>>>>>>> failed, since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as
>>>>>>>>>>> well when I get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text
>>>>>>>>>>> of the message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of days,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this happens, I
>>>>>>>>>>> hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>> happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the stop button)
>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm experimenting. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be allowed through.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue
>>>>>>>>>>> 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8;
>>>>>>>>>>> en_US (blue)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <
>>>>>>>>>>> dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected, Here
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am back
>>>>>>>>>>>> at that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> console):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime
>>>>>>>>>>>> Environment:
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9 (22.0.2+9,
>>>>>>>>>>>> mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc,
>>>>>>>>>>>> windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blu...@li...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

Running in the console, I see

OPCODEDIR overridden to Hët$WHâ∞ Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'Hët$WHâ∞
Hï·Hﱫ\$@ïD$@â╚@ëD$@«T$@ïe2X': No such file or directory
orchname:  Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
main: failed to open input file - Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 3:40 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> I resolved a few issues (see my threads in the dev list), but I still get
> an error trying to run in blue, with no error message other than the
> command line.
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:55 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> Depending on what I hear on the dev list, I may have to return to v6, in
>> which case I'll need that older version of blue.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:42 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll post this to the dev list.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following
>>>> error:
>>>>
>>>> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching argument
>>>> types:
>>>>
>>>> Found:
>>>>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>>>>
>>>> Candidates:
>>>>   i ftgen iiiiim
>>>>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>>>>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>>>>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>>>>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>>>>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>>>>
>>>> Line: 24
>>>>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
>>>> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>>>>
>>>> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>>>>
>>>> ; sine table
>>>> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>>>>
>>>> ; tanh function
>>>> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>>>>
>>>> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4,
>>>> 4/3, 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
>>>> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32,
>>>> 151/128, 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
>>>> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
>>>> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
>>>> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4, 14/11,
>>>> 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no longer works.
>>>>> I get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its entirely):
>>>>>
>>>>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>>>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>>>>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>>>>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>>>>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for
>>>>>> that older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will
>>>>>> give csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>>>>> start exercising it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be
>>>>>>> difficult for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm
>>>>>>> moving forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a
>>>>>>> csound 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm
>>>>>>> library to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may
>>>>>>> not get to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare
>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try using
>>>>>>> the build artifact from this build:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from
>>>>>>> today will be using it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt
>>>>>>>> extension on both files.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash log
>>>>>>>> (unzipped).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard for
>>>>>>>>> me to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes with that
>>>>>>>>> branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that failed,
>>>>>>>>>> since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as well when I
>>>>>>>>>> get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text of the
>>>>>>>>>> message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of days,
>>>>>>>>>> I have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this happens, I
>>>>>>>>>> hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It seems to be
>>>>>>>>>> happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the stop button)
>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm experimenting. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be allowed through.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue
>>>>>>>>>> 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8; en_US
>>>>>>>>>> (blue)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected, Here
>>>>>>>>>>> it is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am back
>>>>>>>>>>> at that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the
>>>>>>>>>>> console):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime
>>>>>>>>>>> Environment:
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9 (22.0.2+9,
>>>>>>>>>>> mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc,
>>>>>>>>>>> windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry for
>>>>>>>>>>>> 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <
>>>>>>>>>>>> blu...@li...>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

I resolved a few issues (see my threads in the dev list), but I still get
an error trying to run in blue, with no error message other than the
command line.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:55 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> Depending on what I hear on the dev list, I may have to return to v6, in
> which case I'll need that older version of blue.
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:42 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> I'll post this to the dev list.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following
>>> error:
>>>
>>> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching argument
>>> types:
>>>
>>> Found:
>>>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>>>
>>> Candidates:
>>>   i ftgen iiiiim
>>>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>>>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>>>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>>>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>>>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>>>
>>> Line: 24
>>>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
>>> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>>>
>>> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>>>
>>> ; sine table
>>> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>>>
>>> ; tanh function
>>> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>>>
>>> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4, 4/3,
>>> 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
>>> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32,
>>> 151/128, 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
>>> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
>>> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
>>> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4, 14/11,
>>> 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no longer works. I
>>>> get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its entirely):
>>>>
>>>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>>>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>>>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>>>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for
>>>>> that older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will
>>>>> give csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>>>> start exercising it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be
>>>>>> difficult for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm
>>>>>> moving forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a
>>>>>> csound 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm
>>>>>> library to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may
>>>>>> not get to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try using
>>>>>> the build artifact from this build:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from today
>>>>>> will be using it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt extension
>>>>>>> on both files.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash log
>>>>>>> (unzipped).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard for
>>>>>>>> me to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes with that
>>>>>>>> branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that failed,
>>>>>>>>> since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as well when I
>>>>>>>>> get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text of the
>>>>>>>>> message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of days, I
>>>>>>>>> have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this happens, I
>>>>>>>>> hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It seems to be
>>>>>>>>> happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the stop button)
>>>>>>>>> in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm experimenting. I'm
>>>>>>>>> attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be allowed through.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue
>>>>>>>>> 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8; en_US
>>>>>>>>> (blue)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected, Here it
>>>>>>>>>> is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am back at
>>>>>>>>>> that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the console):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9 (22.0.2+9,
>>>>>>>>>> mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc,
>>>>>>>>>> windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry for
>>>>>>>>>>> 45 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <
>>>>>>>>>>> blu...@li...>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

Depending on what I hear on the dev list, I may have to return to v6, in
which case I'll need that older version of blue.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:42 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> I'll post this to the dev list.
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following
>> error:
>>
>> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching argument
>> types:
>>
>> Found:
>>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>>
>> Candidates:
>>   i ftgen iiiiim
>>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>>
>> Line: 24
>>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
>> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>>
>> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>>
>> ; sine table
>> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>>
>> ; tanh function
>> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>>
>> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4, 4/3,
>> 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
>> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32, 151/128,
>> 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
>> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
>> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
>> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4, 14/11,
>> 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no longer works. I
>>> get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its entirely):
>>>
>>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for that
>>>> older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will give
>>>> csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>>> start exercising it.
>>>>
>>>> - Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be
>>>>> difficult for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm
>>>>> moving forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a
>>>>> csound 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm
>>>>> library to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may
>>>>> not get to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try using
>>>>> the build artifact from this build:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from today
>>>>> will be using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt extension
>>>>>> on both files.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash log
>>>>>> (unzipped).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard for
>>>>>>> me to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes with that
>>>>>>> branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that failed,
>>>>>>>> since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as well when I
>>>>>>>> get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text of the
>>>>>>>> message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of days, I
>>>>>>>> have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this happens, I
>>>>>>>> hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It seems to be
>>>>>>>> happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the stop button)
>>>>>>>> in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm experimenting. I'm
>>>>>>>> attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be allowed through.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8; en_US
>>>>>>>> (blue)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected, Here it
>>>>>>>>> is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am back at
>>>>>>>>> that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the console):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9 (22.0.2+9,
>>>>>>>>> mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc,
>>>>>>>>> windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry for 45
>>>>>>>>>> more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <
>>>>>>>>>> blu...@li...>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Bluemusic-users mailing list
>>>>> Blu...@li...
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Delivery Status Notification (Delay)

[Dave S. <dav...@gm...>]

I'll post this to the dev list.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:

> If I render to file and run on the command line, I get the following error:
>
> error:  Unable to find opcode entry for 'ftgen' with matching argument
> types:
>
> Found:
>   k ftgen ccccciiiiiiiiiiic
>
> Candidates:
>   i ftgen iiiiim
>   i ftgen.S iiiSim
>   i ftgen.iS iiiiSm
>   i ftgen.SS iiiSSm
>   i ftgen iiiii[]
>   i ftgen iiiSi[]
>
> Line: 24
>  from file symmetry.csd (1)
> Parsing failed due to syntax errors
>
> This code comp-iles in csound 6. The relevant code (AFAICT) is this:
>
> ; sine table
> gi_sin = ftgen(0, 0, 2^18, 10, 1)
>
> ; tanh function
> gi_tanh = ftgen(0, 0, 16385, "tanh", -157, 157, 0)
>
> gk_centaur          = ftgen(80, 0, 13, -2, 1, 21/20, 9/8, 7/6, 5/4, 4/3,
> 7/5, 3/2, 14/9, 5/3, 7/4, 15/8, 2)
> gk_meta_slendro     = ftgen(81, 0, 13, -2, 1, 65/64, 9/8, 37/32, 151/128,
> 5/4, 21/16, 43/32, 3/2, 49/32, 7/4, 57/32, 2)
> gk_pyth             = ftgen(82, 0, 13, -2, 1, 2187/2048, 9/8, 32/27,
> 81/64, 4/3, 729/512, 3/2, 6561/4096, 27/16, 16/9, 243/128, 2)
> gk_bihexany         = ftgen(83, 0, 13, -2, 1, 35/33, 7/6, 5/4, 14/11,
> 15/11, 3/2, 35/22, 5/3, 7/4, 20/11, 21/11, 2)
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:35 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> OK, I installed the latest csound7, but now BlueLive no longer works. I
>> get the error popup, and the output window shows (in its entirely):
>>
>> Render Command ( C:\Program Files\Csound6_x64\bin\csound.exe
>> -+rtaudio=PortAudio -o dac -d -m135 -odac1 -+rtmidi=portmidi -Ma
>> --omacro:BLUE_LIVE=1 --smacro:BLUE_LIVE=1
>> N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry\tempCsd15509489784095814573.csd
>> --env:SFDIR=N:\Stuff\ds-share\symmetry )
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:15 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Steven, that makes sense. Unfortunately, the artifacts for that
>>> older build are apparently no longer available ("expired"). I will give
>>> csound7 a try -- I've been a bit reluctant, but it's time to
>>> start exercising it.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> I think you were using the last CsoundFFM branch build of Blue
>>>> (considering it's Java 22 and from what I can glean from the crash log). I
>>>> just spent some time updating the CsoundFFM library to update to the new
>>>> Csound 7 API changes that were merged into develop. In working with it I
>>>> think I've found the source of crashes with Blue.
>>>>
>>>> That's the good news. The bad news is that I think it will be difficult
>>>> for me to support both Csound 6 and 7 in Blue. For the moment I'm moving
>>>> forward with Csound 7 for the csoundffm build and it will require a csound
>>>> 7 build from the latest develop. I can try to update the csoundffm library
>>>> to work with both Csound 6 and 7 but it's a bit of work and I may not get
>>>> to it until after the Csound conference as I have a lot to prepare for it.
>>>>
>>>> If a stable Csound 6-based Blue is desired, you could you try using the
>>>> build artifact from this build:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/actions/runs/9373005778
>>>>
>>>> Which was from a few months ago. I think it should work okay with
>>>> Csound 6 as it uses the older CsoundJNI library I had written.
>>>>
>>>> If you'd like to try the latest CS7-based Blue, new builds from today
>>>> will be using it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 2:13 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>
>>>>> (Trying this again after it was rejected, now using a .txt extension
>>>>> on both files.)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, this is just the standard Win distribution.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm attaching the blue file (obviously still WIP) and the crash log
>>>>> (unzipped).
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 10:23 AM Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you by chance using the csoundffm branch build?  It's hard for me
>>>>>> to know with just the product version.  I was getting crashes with that
>>>>>> branch but need to diagnose further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 7:08 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, apparently it was my first post in this thread that failed,
>>>>>>> since I attached a zipped blue file. I will send that to you as well when I
>>>>>>> get back to that computer, but in the meantime, here's the text of the
>>>>>>> message. Sorry for the email mess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Steven,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that I am using blue fairly heavily the past couple of days, I
>>>>>>> have been getting a LOT of crashes during playback. When this happens, I
>>>>>>> hear a click in the speakers, and then blue just goes away. It seems to be
>>>>>>> happening after I have stopped a previous playback (using the stop button)
>>>>>>> in the middle of a playback, which I do a lot as I'm experimenting. I'm
>>>>>>> attaching the zipped blue file, hopefully it will be allowed through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Product Version:* Blue 22-0d0bfcf3faf364a2643238f2a44e1bb6eb8217bd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Java:* 22.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *System:* Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; UTF-8; en_US
>>>>>>> (blue)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *User directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Roaming\blue\dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Cache directory:* C:\Users\daves\AppData\Local\blue\Cache\dev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Csound version 6.18 (double samples) Oct 20 2022
>>>>>>> [commit: f0bea4d87b49da2be7e9f1fc77826a7327cbc391]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 5:11 PM Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My message with an attached zipped log file was rejected, Here it
>>>>>>>> is without the attachment, which I can send uncompressed when I am back at
>>>>>>>> that computer. Here's what I sent:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spoke too soon, I got an error message this time (in the console):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> #  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at
>>>>>>>> pc=0x00007ffa25ae9d43, pid=17624, tid=10180
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # JRE version: OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-22.0.2+9
>>>>>>>> (22.0.2+9) (build 22.0.2+9)
>>>>>>>> # Java VM: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-22.0.2+9 (22.0.2+9,
>>>>>>>> mixed mode, sharing, tiered, compressed oops, compressed class ptrs, g1 gc,
>>>>>>>> windows-amd64)
>>>>>>>> # Problematic frame:
>>>>>>>> # V  [jvm.dll+0x3e9d43]
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # No core dump will be written. Minidumps are not enabled by
>>>>>>>> default on client versions of Windows
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
>>>>>>>> # C:\Users\daves\OneDrive\Documents\blue\hs_err_pid17624.log
>>>>>>>> [878.214s][warning][os] Loading hsdis library failed
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>> # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
>>>>>>>> #   https://github.com/adoptium/adoptium-support/issues
>>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:52 PM Mail Delivery Subsystem <
>>>>>>>> mai...@go...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: Error Icon]
>>>>>>>>> Delivery incomplete
>>>>>>>>> There was a temporary problem delivering your message to
>>>>>>>>> *blu...@li...*. Gmail will retry for 45
>>>>>>>>> more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.
>>>>>>>>> The response from the remote server was:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 550 Blacklisted file extension detected
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Dave Seidel <dav...@gm...>
>>>>>>>>> To: blue users mailing list <blu...@li...
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>> Bcc:
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:50:52 -0400
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Latest snapshot crashing frequently
>>>>>>>>> ----- Message truncated -----
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