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From: Felix B. <fe...@fb...> - 2011-07-27 15:42:46
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As I said, I think subpixel precision is much more important than pressure sensitivity. Can you really produce readable handwriting with XInput turned off? If so, I would love to see an example. That said, I am all for Xournal on Android! I also tried to learn about Android development and wrote a small text editor<http://www.inkcode.net/qute-android> as an example. I had high hopes for the HTC Flyer, but I did not get round to buying one yet. Also, I tried to find the HTC pen API documentation, but failed. If you could post a link, I would be very greatful. Felix 2011/7/27 Wouter Geelen <wou...@gm...> > Hmmmm I disagree. I have pressure sensitivity shut down already at the > start. I find my handwriting much better to read with it turned off. The > main benefit for me is that Xournal can detect shapes I make. It is very > handy when it comes to drawing electrical circuits or drawing a diagram or > something. For that reason I also suggested the 'shape' library in one of > earlier e-mails. > > Further HTC is proberbly going to release a tablet with a stylus. > http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/26/htc-puccini-the-companys-first-10-inch-tablet-uncovered/. I > heard there were plans on porting xournal to Android... Any progress on that > part? At the moment I started to reading the developer guide of android > because I got myself a new mobile with android and want to make a app for my > university. > > 2011/7/13 Felix Breuer <fe...@fb...> > >> Yes, cross-platform compatibility is a major problem. >> >> Unfortunately, digital ink is a second class citizen in all browsers and >> all operating systems. This has the unfortunate side-effect that digital ink >> needs to be accessed via a different API on all three major platforms. >> Xournal leaves all this API wrangling to GTK. In browsers, no such library >> exists yet. The Wacom plugin only supports Mac and Windows and only Wacom >> tablets. >> >> Felix >> >> >> 2011/7/13 Jonathan R Young <jon...@gm...> >> >>> ** >>> I completely agree about the pressure/subpixel aspects. Don't forget >>> cross-platform ability too - Xournal started out as a Linux app >>> >>> >>> On 13/07/11 09:16, Felix Breuer wrote: >>> >>> Hi Wouter! >>> >>> To me, the key feature of Xournal has always been subpixel precision. >>> Along with presssure sensitivity, this is what makes handwriting in Xournal >>> readable. I cannot produce readable handwriting in any of the HTML5 sketch >>> apps I have seen so far. >>> >>> That said, I think there is great promise for an HTML5-based >>> Journal/Sketch/Notepad app. The question is how to get the pen data >>> (including pressure sensitivity and subpixel precision). There are two >>> options AFAIK: >>> >>> 1) The Wacom Web Browser Plugin (http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html)<http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html>works reasonably well (and actually comes with a small sketch app as a >>> demo). I have run into some trouble, though, regarding window focus, etc. >>> and I do not know how actively Wacom maintains this plugin. Nonetheless I >>> think this is the way to go. >>> >>> 2) The alternative is to hand-code bindings to e.g. the WinTab API using >>> a foreign function interface to Javascript, such as JSctypes >>> (https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes <https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes>). >>> Of course, this would not work from within a webbrowser because of the >>> security model, but a stand-alone app based on Xulrunner or Chromeless might >>> work. >>> >>> As you can see I have a done a bit of research on this question (see also >>> http://www.inkcode.net) but I have not started coding any HTML5-based >>> sketch app yet. I do plan, however, to add some basic sketch functionality >>> to my experimental text editor Qute (http://www.inkcode.net/qute-html5) >>> in the future. Help would be very welcome! Conversely, I would be interested >>> in contributing to a more Xournal-like HTML5 application. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Felix >>> >>> >>> 2011/7/12 Wouter Geelen <wou...@gm...> >>> >>>> Anyone seen this chrome experiment? >>>> >>>> http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/sketch/ >>>> >>>> http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/ >>>> >>>> We could use the code to port xournal to the web... >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >>>> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >>>> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >>>> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xournal-devel mailing list >>>> Xou...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.felixbreuer.net >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >>> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >>> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >>> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy.http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xournal-devel mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >>> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >>> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >>> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xournal-devel mailing list >>> Xou...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.felixbreuer.net >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xournal-devel mailing list >> Xou...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Got Input? Slashdot Needs You. > Take our quick survey online. Come on, we don't ask for help often. > Plus, you'll get a chance to win $100 to spend on ThinkGeek. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/slashdot-survey > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing list > Xou...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel > > -- http://www.felixbreuer.net |
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From: Wouter G. <wou...@gm...> - 2011-07-27 11:07:42
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Hmmmm I disagree. I have pressure sensitivity shut down already at the start. I find my handwriting much better to read with it turned off. The main benefit for me is that Xournal can detect shapes I make. It is very handy when it comes to drawing electrical circuits or drawing a diagram or something. For that reason I also suggested the 'shape' library in one of earlier e-mails. Further HTC is proberbly going to release a tablet with a stylus. http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/26/htc-puccini-the-companys-first-10-inch-tablet-uncovered/. I heard there were plans on porting xournal to Android... Any progress on that part? At the moment I started to reading the developer guide of android because I got myself a new mobile with android and want to make a app for my university. 2011/7/13 Felix Breuer <fe...@fb...> > Yes, cross-platform compatibility is a major problem. > > Unfortunately, digital ink is a second class citizen in all browsers and > all operating systems. This has the unfortunate side-effect that digital ink > needs to be accessed via a different API on all three major platforms. > Xournal leaves all this API wrangling to GTK. In browsers, no such library > exists yet. The Wacom plugin only supports Mac and Windows and only Wacom > tablets. > > Felix > > > 2011/7/13 Jonathan R Young <jon...@gm...> > >> ** >> I completely agree about the pressure/subpixel aspects. Don't forget >> cross-platform ability too - Xournal started out as a Linux app >> >> >> On 13/07/11 09:16, Felix Breuer wrote: >> >> Hi Wouter! >> >> To me, the key feature of Xournal has always been subpixel precision. >> Along with presssure sensitivity, this is what makes handwriting in Xournal >> readable. I cannot produce readable handwriting in any of the HTML5 sketch >> apps I have seen so far. >> >> That said, I think there is great promise for an HTML5-based >> Journal/Sketch/Notepad app. The question is how to get the pen data >> (including pressure sensitivity and subpixel precision). There are two >> options AFAIK: >> >> 1) The Wacom Web Browser Plugin (http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html)<http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html>works reasonably well (and actually comes with a small sketch app as a >> demo). I have run into some trouble, though, regarding window focus, etc. >> and I do not know how actively Wacom maintains this plugin. Nonetheless I >> think this is the way to go. >> >> 2) The alternative is to hand-code bindings to e.g. the WinTab API using a >> foreign function interface to Javascript, such as JSctypes >> (https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes <https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes>). >> Of course, this would not work from within a webbrowser because of the >> security model, but a stand-alone app based on Xulrunner or Chromeless might >> work. >> >> As you can see I have a done a bit of research on this question (see also >> http://www.inkcode.net) but I have not started coding any HTML5-based >> sketch app yet. I do plan, however, to add some basic sketch functionality >> to my experimental text editor Qute (http://www.inkcode.net/qute-html5) >> in the future. Help would be very welcome! Conversely, I would be interested >> in contributing to a more Xournal-like HTML5 application. >> >> Cheers, >> Felix >> >> >> 2011/7/12 Wouter Geelen <wou...@gm...> >> >>> Anyone seen this chrome experiment? >>> >>> http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/sketch/ >>> >>> http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/ >>> >>> We could use the code to port xournal to the web... >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >>> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >>> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >>> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xournal-devel mailing list >>> Xou...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.felixbreuer.net >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy.http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xournal-devel mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xournal-devel mailing list >> Xou...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >> >> > > > -- > http://www.felixbreuer.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric > Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup > Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, > optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing list > Xou...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel > > |
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From: D M G. <dm...@uv...> - 2011-07-13 20:01:05
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Hi there, Alex (who I think is in this list) took the pdf search code I implemented and was able to get it to display. That was a great help, because I had no idea how that needed to be done. I looked at his code, and was trying to complete it, but discovered that the model I had in mind when I started the search module was going to fail. So I decided to restart again. The current model is: - a Page has a searchLayer (where the results are displayed). - It currently only makes sense in a document with a pdf background). - By default it is empty, - As one searches, this search layer highlights the results (and contains them as rectangles) - An entire document is searched at once. This could be slow in long documents, but it is the cost of complexity--think evince that uses different threats to do it-- versus the simplicity of xournal. The current model, however, could allow to load "one" page at a time. So far, we can: * Find matches * Attach the results to the search layer of the pages * Display the results when the page is refreshed It needs some work to get the details working: * Refresh current page when matches found * Fine tune user interface * Remove current results before the new results are displayed * Jump to next/previous match. * Highlight current match If anybody is interested in hacking it: https://github.com/dmgerman/xournal Sorry Alex, for the huge diversion from your branch. --dmg -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . |
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From: Felix B. <fe...@fb...> - 2011-07-13 18:41:32
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Yes, cross-platform compatibility is a major problem. Unfortunately, digital ink is a second class citizen in all browsers and all operating systems. This has the unfortunate side-effect that digital ink needs to be accessed via a different API on all three major platforms. Xournal leaves all this API wrangling to GTK. In browsers, no such library exists yet. The Wacom plugin only supports Mac and Windows and only Wacom tablets. Felix 2011/7/13 Jonathan R Young <jon...@gm...> > ** > I completely agree about the pressure/subpixel aspects. Don't forget > cross-platform ability too - Xournal started out as a Linux app > > > On 13/07/11 09:16, Felix Breuer wrote: > > Hi Wouter! > > To me, the key feature of Xournal has always been subpixel precision. Along > with presssure sensitivity, this is what makes handwriting in Xournal > readable. I cannot produce readable handwriting in any of the HTML5 sketch > apps I have seen so far. > > That said, I think there is great promise for an HTML5-based > Journal/Sketch/Notepad app. The question is how to get the pen data > (including pressure sensitivity and subpixel precision). There are two > options AFAIK: > > 1) The Wacom Web Browser Plugin (http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html)<http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html>works reasonably well (and actually comes with a small sketch app as a > demo). I have run into some trouble, though, regarding window focus, etc. > and I do not know how actively Wacom maintains this plugin. Nonetheless I > think this is the way to go. > > 2) The alternative is to hand-code bindings to e.g. the WinTab API using a > foreign function interface to Javascript, such as JSctypes > (https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes <https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes>). > Of course, this would not work from within a webbrowser because of the > security model, but a stand-alone app based on Xulrunner or Chromeless might > work. > > As you can see I have a done a bit of research on this question (see also > http://www.inkcode.net) but I have not started coding any HTML5-based > sketch app yet. I do plan, however, to add some basic sketch functionality > to my experimental text editor Qute (http://www.inkcode.net/qute-html5) in > the future. Help would be very welcome! Conversely, I would be interested in > contributing to a more Xournal-like HTML5 application. > > Cheers, > Felix > > > 2011/7/12 Wouter Geelen <wou...@gm...> > >> Anyone seen this chrome experiment? >> >> http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/sketch/ >> >> http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/ >> >> We could use the code to port xournal to the web... >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric >> Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup >> Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, >> optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xournal-devel mailing list >> Xou...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel >> >> > > > -- > http://www.felixbreuer.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric > Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup > Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, > optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy.http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing lis...@li...://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric > Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup > Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, > optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing list > Xou...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel > > -- http://www.felixbreuer.net |
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From: Jonathan R Y. <jon...@gm...> - 2011-07-13 17:04:43
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I completely agree about the pressure/subpixel aspects. Don't forget cross-platform ability too - Xournal started out as a Linux app On 13/07/11 09:16, Felix Breuer wrote: > Hi Wouter! > > To me, the key feature of Xournal has always been subpixel precision. > Along with presssure sensitivity, this is what makes handwriting in > Xournal readable. I cannot produce readable handwriting in any of the > HTML5 sketch apps I have seen so far. > > That said, I think there is great promise for an HTML5-based > Journal/Sketch/Notepad app. The question is how to get the pen data > (including pressure sensitivity and subpixel precision). There are two > options AFAIK: > > 1) The Wacom Web Browser Plugin > (http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html) > <http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html> works reasonably well (and > actually comes with a small sketch app as a demo). I have run into > some trouble, though, regarding window focus, etc. and I do not know > how actively Wacom maintains this plugin. Nonetheless I think this is > the way to go. > > 2) The alternative is to hand-code bindings to e.g. the WinTab API > using a foreign function interface to Javascript, such as JSctypes > (https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes > <https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes>). Of course, this would not work > from within a webbrowser because of the security model, but a > stand-alone app based on Xulrunner or Chromeless might work. > > As you can see I have a done a bit of research on this question (see > also http://www.inkcode.net) but I have not started coding any > HTML5-based sketch app yet. I do plan, however, to add some basic > sketch functionality to my experimental text editor Qute > (http://www.inkcode.net/qute-html5) in the future. Help would be very > welcome! Conversely, I would be interested in contributing to a more > Xournal-like HTML5 application. > > Cheers, > Felix > > > 2011/7/12 Wouter Geelen <wou...@gm... > <mailto:wou...@gm...>> > > Anyone seen this chrome experiment? > > http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/sketch/ > > http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/ > > We could use the code to port xournal to the web... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric > Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup > Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, > optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing list > Xou...@li... > <mailto:Xou...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel > > > > > -- > http://www.felixbreuer.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric > Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup > Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, > optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing list > Xou...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel |
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From: Felix B. <fe...@fb...> - 2011-07-13 09:22:32
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Hi Wouter! To me, the key feature of Xournal has always been subpixel precision. Along with presssure sensitivity, this is what makes handwriting in Xournal readable. I cannot produce readable handwriting in any of the HTML5 sketch apps I have seen so far. That said, I think there is great promise for an HTML5-based Journal/Sketch/Notepad app. The question is how to get the pen data (including pressure sensitivity and subpixel precision). There are two options AFAIK: 1) The Wacom Web Browser Plugin (http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html)<http://www.wacomeng.com/web/index.html>works reasonably well (and actually comes with a small sketch app as a demo). I have run into some trouble, though, regarding window focus, etc. and I do not know how actively Wacom maintains this plugin. Nonetheless I think this is the way to go. 2) The alternative is to hand-code bindings to e.g. the WinTab API using a foreign function interface to Javascript, such as JSctypes (https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes <https://wiki.mozilla.org/JSctypes>). Of course, this would not work from within a webbrowser because of the security model, but a stand-alone app based on Xulrunner or Chromeless might work. As you can see I have a done a bit of research on this question (see also http://www.inkcode.net) but I have not started coding any HTML5-based sketch app yet. I do plan, however, to add some basic sketch functionality to my experimental text editor Qute (http://www.inkcode.net/qute-html5) in the future. Help would be very welcome! Conversely, I would be interested in contributing to a more Xournal-like HTML5 application. Cheers, Felix 2011/7/12 Wouter Geelen <wou...@gm...> > Anyone seen this chrome experiment? > > http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/sketch/ > > http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/ > > We could use the code to port xournal to the web... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric > Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on "Lean Startup > Secrets Revealed." This video shows you how to validate your ideas, > optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Xournal-devel mailing list > Xou...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xournal-devel > > -- http://www.felixbreuer.net |
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From: Wouter G. <wou...@gm...> - 2011-07-12 17:20:50
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Anyone seen this chrome experiment? http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/sketch/ http://hakim.se/experiments/html5/sketch/ We could use the code to port xournal to the web... |