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From: Jonathan H. <tri...@gm...> - 2004-11-29 23:55:37
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Hola Jon, On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:22:22 +0000, Jon Wood <jo...@je...> wrote: > Hey, > > This is a slightly dull, dry e-mail on the subject of licensing for > Jaws, so I apologise in advance, but I figured it would be best to send > it. > > I'm currently in the process of turning the odd bit of web > design/development I do into a real job (as in full time), and would > like to use Jaws as my backend for the sites I work on. Cool!, here at CIMAV we'll using Jaws for a monthly bulletin :-) > > Part of this is to offer "sites in a box", where the client would > essentially be handed a turnkey website that they can add content to > using the Jaws control panel. > > Obviously I would be charging clients for the privilege of using this > site. I will also be branding the control panel with my company's > logo/colour scheme. > > What I'd like to know is what people's opinion on this would be - mainly > the opinion of the core team who've been working on the project since > it's birth. Go ahead, I'm happy to hear that you find in Jaws a nice framework for your needs :-D > > I'm willing to donate either time or money to the project in return for > this - money would likely be a percentage of the income I make, time is > likely to be more flexible - essentially you'll get me working full time > on Jaws related stuff, although it's unlikely that everything I do will > see CVS since some of the stuff I create will only be useful to that > client. I think your time/code/ideas/etc are the most valuable things you can donate to Jaws ;-) Cheers, ion |
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From: Pablo F. <pa...@pa...> - 2004-11-29 23:18:32
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OOps, I forgot: The mail I sent was MY opinion, if you want a real opinion, you should ask it to Jonathan (ion). Man proposes, Ion disposes :-) See ya, Pablo El lun, 29-11-2004 a las 16:44 -0600, Pablo Fischer escribi=F3: > Hi, >=20 > > I'm currently in the process of turning the odd bit of web > > design/development I do into a real job (as in full time), and would > > like to use Jaws as my backend for the sites I work on. >=20 > Nice! :-) >=20 > > Part of this is to offer "sites in a box", where the client would > > essentially be handed a turnkey website that they can add content to > > using the Jaws control panel. > >=20 > > Obviously I would be charging clients for the privilege of using this > > site. I will also be branding the control panel with my company's > > logo/colour scheme. > >=20 > > What I'd like to know is what people's opinion on this would be - mainl= y > > the opinion of the core team who've been working on the project since > > it's birth. >=20 > Well... you can do whatever you want with the website. You don't need to > advise us that you are doing bussiness with the core when you are also > an official Developer of it :-). >=20 > I don't find any reason to charge money or to exchange for something > else. As you know, Jaws (mostly MCV) runs over the JawsCore > (Application, DB, Registry, Template, Gadget system, Model System, > etc..), all the other stuff (plugins and gagdets) are commodities for > it. >=20 > So, charging for the Core when you are contributing to the code?, no > way. You will be working coding new gadgets for your commerce website, > those gadgets... are YOUR gadgets, not of us. If you want to release > them under GPL and commit them to the CVS.. thanks but this is not > needed. >=20 > Also, remember that jaws is under GPL (GPLized), so.. until you don't > violate the rules of GPL there's no problem. If there's a big reason of > changing the license.. we need to talk about it, but I don't see any > need for it.. However, I don't like GPL, but that's another history :-) >=20 > > I'm willing to donate either time or money to the project in return for > > this - money would likely be a percentage of the income I make, time is > > likely to be more flexible - essentially you'll get me working full tim= e > > on Jaws related stuff, although it's unlikely that everything I do will > > see CVS since some of the stuff I create will only be useful to that > > client. >=20 > Honestly, we don't need returns for the code for using it.. until you > don't violate the GPL rules everything will be OK. But if you, as > official developer want to help us with your business site... just add a > little banner so Google can find it :-). But there's no need for it. >=20 > Also, you don't need to give us money or something else, you are already > helping us with MVC and we are _VERY_ happy about that :-) >=20 > Pablo --=20 Pablo Fischer Sandoval (pablo [arroba/at] pablo.com.mx) Cel: (044-55) 2689-6351 Fingerprint: 5973 0F10 543F 54AE 1E41 EC81 0840 A10A 74A4 E5C0 http://www.pablo.com.mx http://www.debianmexico.org |
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From: Pablo F. <pa...@pa...> - 2004-11-29 22:54:38
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Hi, > I'm currently in the process of turning the odd bit of web > design/development I do into a real job (as in full time), and would > like to use Jaws as my backend for the sites I work on. Nice! :-) > Part of this is to offer "sites in a box", where the client would > essentially be handed a turnkey website that they can add content to > using the Jaws control panel. >=20 > Obviously I would be charging clients for the privilege of using this > site. I will also be branding the control panel with my company's > logo/colour scheme. >=20 > What I'd like to know is what people's opinion on this would be - mainly > the opinion of the core team who've been working on the project since > it's birth. Well... you can do whatever you want with the website. You don't need to advise us that you are doing bussiness with the core when you are also an official Developer of it :-). I don't find any reason to charge money or to exchange for something else. As you know, Jaws (mostly MCV) runs over the JawsCore (Application, DB, Registry, Template, Gadget system, Model System, etc..), all the other stuff (plugins and gagdets) are commodities for it. So, charging for the Core when you are contributing to the code?, no way. You will be working coding new gadgets for your commerce website, those gadgets... are YOUR gadgets, not of us. If you want to release them under GPL and commit them to the CVS.. thanks but this is not needed. Also, remember that jaws is under GPL (GPLized), so.. until you don't violate the rules of GPL there's no problem. If there's a big reason of changing the license.. we need to talk about it, but I don't see any need for it.. However, I don't like GPL, but that's another history :-) > I'm willing to donate either time or money to the project in return for > this - money would likely be a percentage of the income I make, time is > likely to be more flexible - essentially you'll get me working full time > on Jaws related stuff, although it's unlikely that everything I do will > see CVS since some of the stuff I create will only be useful to that > client. Honestly, we don't need returns for the code for using it.. until you don't violate the GPL rules everything will be OK. But if you, as official developer want to help us with your business site... just add a little banner so Google can find it :-). But there's no need for it. Also, you don't need to give us money or something else, you are already helping us with MVC and we are _VERY_ happy about that :-) Pablo --=20 Pablo Fischer Sandoval (pablo [arroba/at] pablo.com.mx) Cel: (044-55) 2689-6351 Fingerprint: 5973 0F10 543F 54AE 1E41 EC81 0840 A10A 74A4 E5C0 http://www.pablo.com.mx http://www.debianmexico.org |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-29 05:18:06
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I have a copy of the API docs built at http://jaws-doc.jellybob.co.uk/ if anybody wants to use them - I'll rebuild them as often as I rebuild them :P Jon |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-28 21:22:24
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Hey, This is a slightly dull, dry e-mail on the subject of licensing for Jaws, so I apologise in advance, but I figured it would be best to send it. I'm currently in the process of turning the odd bit of web design/development I do into a real job (as in full time), and would like to use Jaws as my backend for the sites I work on. Part of this is to offer "sites in a box", where the client would essentially be handed a turnkey website that they can add content to using the Jaws control panel. Obviously I would be charging clients for the privilege of using this site. I will also be branding the control panel with my company's logo/colour scheme. What I'd like to know is what people's opinion on this would be - mainly the opinion of the core team who've been working on the project since it's birth. I'm willing to donate either time or money to the project in return for this - money would likely be a percentage of the income I make, time is likely to be more flexible - essentially you'll get me working full time on Jaws related stuff, although it's unlikely that everything I do will see CVS since some of the stuff I create will only be useful to that client. Jon |
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From: Marco A. I. C. <ma...@is...> - 2004-11-28 20:38:59
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por que no se monta un sitio como resources.jaws.com.mx en el que se puedan encontrar themes, gadgets no oficiales, gadgets modificados etc..., Asi tendria a donde subir alguno ke otro theme ke me salga, o alguna ke otra modificacion no tan importante. --=20 <--Linux... Because I'm Free--> Marco Antonio Islas Cruz "Markuz" Linux User #280229 ma...@is... ma...@un... isl...@ya... http://www.islascruz.org http://sourceforge.net/projects/webslider/ |
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From: Pablo F. <pa...@pa...> - 2004-11-28 20:21:32
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Hola, El dom, 28-11-2004 a las 14:10 -0600, Jose Oviedo Uribe escribi=F3: > Hola, no seria bueno poner en la pagina oficial una liga con las paginas=20 > creadas con Jaws!... Lo estamos armando en el wiki :-) http://wiki.jaws.com.mx saludos, Pablo --=20 Pablo Fischer Sandoval (pablo [arroba/at] pablo.com.mx) Cel: (044-55) 2689-6351 Fingerprint: 5973 0F10 543F 54AE 1E41 EC81 0840 A10A 74A4 E5C0 http://www.pablo.com.mx http://www.debianmexico.org |
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From: Jose O. U. <cua...@ya...> - 2004-11-28 20:10:56
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Hola, no seria bueno poner en la pagina oficial una liga con las paginas creadas con Jaws!... |
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From: Arno <afo...@te...> - 2004-11-28 01:01:14
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hello, I've started to translate jaws in french. I haven't finished yet but the begining of my work (it's the version 0.3 of the translation, only some file has been translated) is availlable on <http://minilien.com/?D2I3dvLCjj>. bye, -- Arnaud - <http://skamp-zo.org> Campagne du ruban ASCII - Contre les mails en HTML () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML mails /\ |
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From: Jonathan H. <tri...@gm...> - 2004-11-24 18:30:41
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> > > > Actually, Jaws Wiki requires authorization to made changes, I don't know > > if leave it open or restricted... suggestions? > > > Personally I think it should be opened up for anyone to commit to. > Ok, now it's opened :-) ion |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-24 15:50:01
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On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 21:36 -0700, Jonathan Hernandez wrote: > Remember, We want Jaws with great user and developer documentation... > Do we have some sort of automatic API docs setup yet? When developing packages for PEAR it is required that your code includes phpdoc[1] comments which can then be automatically converted into the developer API docs available from each packages home page. Obviously this isn't enough on it's own, and supporting docs are required to make it truly useful, but API docs are incredibly useful if all you need is to find out what order the arguments to a function go in. Jon http://phpdocumentor.sf.net (I think... Google otherwise) |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-24 15:47:01
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On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 21:36 -0700, Jonathan Hernandez wrote: > Hello, > > Today I set up a wiki for Jaws, you can find it here > http://wiki.jaws.com.mx > Excellent :D I'd been going to suggest this, and now it appears like magic :P > I don't know how to organize it (ideas are welcomed), currently it have: > > Documentation: > * Installation > * Contributing to Jaws > * Development > - Coding Guidelines > - Tools (CVS, Bugzilla) > Ideas: > * Proposals / Mockups > * Wishlist > Sounds good for a start - these things tend to just evolve themselves. > > I think with this Wiki we can work better in the documentation process, > so what do you think about that? > > Actually, Jaws Wiki requires authorization to made changes, I don't know > if leave it open or restricted... suggestions? > Personally I think it should be opened up for anyone to commit to. > Remember, We want Jaws with great user and developer documentation... > > > Saludos ;-) > ion. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Jaws-project-developers mailing list > Jaw...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jaws-project-developers |
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From: Raul M. <ra...@mu...> - 2004-11-24 09:52:15
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Hello,
This is my first message, so there is my quick resume: I am a spanish=20
web developer, with some php and mysql experience. I like Jaws-mvc so I=20
am currently working on a simple -too simple at this moment O:-) -=20
Jaws-mvc tutorial and submitting bugs. I offered myself last weekend on=20
#jaws to work on doc. tasks and suggested a wiki for quick-documenting=20
the project. So ion, you made me happier this morning ;-) The wiki can=20
be very useful for both developers and users :-)
>I don't know how to organize it (ideas are welcomed), currently it have:
>Documentation:
> * Installation
> * Contributing to Jaws
> * Development
> - Coding Guidelines
> - Tools (CVS, Bugzilla)
>Ideas:
> * Proposals / Mockups
> * Wishlist
> =20
>
I think it could be useful to include a "who's on what" section: it=20
could be useful to describe what modules (and sub-modules) are there,=20
and who are working on each of them. A sample structure could be (data=20
are ficticious):
/jaws-mvc/
/html/widgets/ Working: pabl0, Jon
/html/core/ Working: ion
....
/jaws-doc/
/esp/ Working: kad
...
This way a newbie Jaws developer (just like me) could know where more=20
help is needed, and who can he ask about some specific module. What do=20
you think about this?
>I think with this Wiki we can work better in the documentation process,
>so what do you think about that?
> =20
>
I'm sure of it :-)
>Actually, Jaws Wiki requires authorization to made changes, I don't know
>if leave it open or restricted... suggestions?
> =20
>
If previous versions are available you could try to open access. If=20
there are problems you could restrict it later and restore previous=20
contents.
>Remember, We want Jaws with great user and developer documentation...
> =20
>
Amen. ;-)
Last point: It seems that bug tracker links are wrong on=20
http://wiki.jaws.com.mx/doku.php?id=3Djaws:development:tools
Best regards,
Ra=FAl (aka n0vice, aka mur0, aka... ;-) )
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From: Jonathan H. <jon...@ci...> - 2004-11-24 04:41:11
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Hello, Today I set up a wiki for Jaws, you can find it here http://wiki.jaws.com.mx I don't know how to organize it (ideas are welcomed), currently it have: Documentation: * Installation * Contributing to Jaws * Development - Coding Guidelines - Tools (CVS, Bugzilla) Ideas: * Proposals / Mockups * Wishlist I think with this Wiki we can work better in the documentation process, so what do you think about that? Actually, Jaws Wiki requires authorization to made changes, I don't know if leave it open or restricted... suggestions? Remember, We want Jaws with great user and developer documentation... Saludos ;-) ion. |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-21 18:02:08
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Is there a list that gets any bugzilla messages sent out (new bugs, etc)? Jon |
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From: Arno <afo...@te...> - 2004-11-21 09:56:02
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hello, > * all the database used by jaws was name somethink like > jaws_(nameofthetable) /s/all the database/all the tables ;) -- Arnaud - <http://skamp-zo.org> Campagne du ruban ASCII - Contre les mails en HTML () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML mails /\ |
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From: David M. G. <da...@da...> - 2004-11-21 04:58:41
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On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 15:09 +0100, Arno wrote: > * all the database used by jaws was name somethink like jaws_(nameofthetable) Kill him. -- David Moreno Garza <da...@da...> | http://www.damog.net/ GPG: 356E16CD - 84F0 E180 8AF6 E8D0 842F B520 63F3 08DB 356E 16CD I had plastic surgery last week. I cut up my credit cards. |
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From: Pablo F. <pa...@pa...> - 2004-11-20 19:05:48
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Hello!, El s=E1b, 20-11-2004 a las 17:47 +0000, Jon Wood escribi=F3: > However, we're still left with the question of translations. It appears > that we have a few options on how to do this - whichever one gets chosen > in the end I'm willing to step up and actually implement it, since > translation is huge draw for users. Yes, we have been talking about this issue.=20 My suggestion is to use GetText for translation, there are i18n groups that will be happy helping us translating jaws to other foreign languages. For example: any Gnome app, or almost any GTK app have their i18n groups. > 1. The current way > In Jaws 0.4 translations are simply a bunch of constant definitions - I > haven't had a good look around the code for how this works, but > presumably there is some sort of system in place to prevent existing > constants getting overwritten. >=20 > Pros: Easy for translators to use. > Cons: Kinda messy, none standard, no tools available for editing. Yeah, is easy for translators but I think we can make it better. Dunno... I hate long files with lot of constants. I don't like it to much. > 2. GetText > GetText is the standard method for providing i18n > (internationalisation... you can see why I'm not gonna repeat that :P) > in open source projects - it's used by Horde, KDE, Gnome, and a billion > and one other projects. ;-) > There is built in support of GetText in PHP, although it doesn't come > built as standard in the binary releases. Realistically though, it > shouldn't be too hard to install, and we can have some sort of fallback > to use if GetText isn't available (probably just returning the string > sent for translation). As I said, I preffer GetText, however there are some points we need to take care: * Test the files po files. Maybe this is not a problem, but my luck is not good in these cases. I know people that just 'translate' to get a name in the THANKS file. Sometimes the languages are bad translated (this doesn't happens if the translation is made by a native speaker) or people don't take the time to read how a .po file works. So, we should decide where to look: i18n groups or native speakers?. 90% and 10%?. * PHP Support. As you said, we should take care in cases where the sysadmin is a paranoic guy that doesn't wants to install it cause he thinks his server is under attack.. bah, believe me, people like these ones REALLY exists. Or well, the other case is for windows users, Windows PHP binary files include gettext support?. So, we should have an alternate system, or like you said, try to return the original text (in english). * Locales: We need to take care of this issue?. I doubt if you can use italian support (for example) in a server that just have english enabled as the unique locale. I have no problems using GetText, but I hate users (not developers) that want everything in a system: If they can't use GetText, they will scream and blame you or in the best cases they will report stupid bugs.. So, we should discuss it and find a nice way to teach them :-). > I'd also like to propose creating a jaws-i18n list to help co-ordinate > translators without them having to dealing with the dev list and > everything that carries. Any new strings should be announced to > jaws-i18n to make sure that the translators know that they're around so > that they don't have to track CVS commits. Ok, ion is the Master and I think he will create the list :-). Regards, Pablo --=20 Pablo Fischer Sandoval (pablo [arroba/at] pablo.com.mx) Cel: (044-55) 2689-6351 Fingerprint: 5973 0F10 543F 54AE 1E41 EC81 0840 A10A 74A4 E5C0 http://www.pablo.com.mx http://www.debianmexico.org |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-20 17:47:34
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Hey, I was rummaging around the control panel to try and get things working and spent a while trying to trace a bug in the settings - it turns out that translations aren't implemented yet, and so it wasn't returning a language list. I've set the control panel model to return a single element array with a todo note in it for now to prevent that error. However, we're still left with the question of translations. It appears that we have a few options on how to do this - whichever one gets chosen in the end I'm willing to step up and actually implement it, since translation is huge draw for users. 1. The current way In Jaws 0.4 translations are simply a bunch of constant definitions - I haven't had a good look around the code for how this works, but presumably there is some sort of system in place to prevent existing constants getting overwritten. Pros: Easy for translators to use. Cons: Kinda messy, none standard, no tools available for editing. 2. GetText GetText is the standard method for providing i18n (internationalisation... you can see why I'm not gonna repeat that :P) in open source projects - it's used by Horde, KDE, Gnome, and a billion and one other projects. This means that there are lots of people out there who already have experience with it, and GUI tools are available to help in the process of translating. It is also kinda crusty in places - it demands a certain directory layout, and bails if it doesn't have that layout. There is built in support of GetText in PHP, although it doesn't come built as standard in the binary releases. Realistically though, it shouldn't be too hard to install, and we can have some sort of fallback to use if GetText isn't available (probably just returning the string sent for translation). Pros: Experienced translators (we may be able to steal some the Gnome i18n team if we're lucky), common standard, not much code needs writing. Cons: Crustiness! 3. Something Else New and Unthought Of This is just a catchall option really - if you can think of what this should be, add it! I'd also like to propose creating a jaws-i18n list to help co-ordinate translators without them having to dealing with the dev list and everything that carries. Any new strings should be announced to jaws-i18n to make sure that the translators know that they're around so that they don't have to track CVS commits. Jon |
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From: Pablo F. <pa...@pa...> - 2004-11-20 16:45:58
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Bonjour, >=20 > * in the layout.html of each theme it would be inclued in the > <headpart=20 > something like : > <link rel=3D"alternate" type=3D"application/rss+xml" title=3D"RSS > syndication"=20 > href=3D"/xml/blog.rss" /> >=20 Yes, we are working on it. We call them: "AddHeadLink" and "AddMetaLink" I think. With this you can add any links or metatags to any of your templates. > * all the database used by jaws was name somethink like > jaws_(nameofthetable) Sounds good, we will think about it. > * they were a french translation of Jaws (but i'm working on a > translation, i=20 > think i'll sent the file before the end of next week :) ) Ok ;-) We (Developers) are very happy of all the translations users have done in the last 6 months: Japanese, Dutch, Italian and now French!. :-) > sorry for my rotten english... ;) >=20 No problem. Regards, Pablo --=20 Pablo Fischer Sandoval (pablo [arroba/at] pablo.com.mx) Cel: (044-55) 2689-6351 Fingerprint: 5973 0F10 543F 54AE 1E41 EC81 0840 A10A 74A4 E5C0 http://www.pablo.com.mx http://www.debianmexico.org |
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From: Ariel M. R. <ar...@fi...> - 2004-11-20 15:15:06
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Mensaje citado por Arno <afo...@te...>: > Hello, > > I've installed jaws for my blog and i'm quite happy :-) and I think it's a > very > good blog sofware :-) You are right it it nice > Btw, i found it will better if : > > * in the layout.html of each theme it would be inclued in the <head> part > something like : > > <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS syndication" > href="/xml/blog.rss" /> > > * all the database used by jaws was name somethink like > jaws_(nameofthetable) In fact, some people can only access one database, and it would be easier for them if you can add a prefix (default: jaws) so jaws will not interfere with existing db's they were a french translation of Jaws (but i'm working on a translation, i > > think i'll sent the file before the end of next week :) ) > > sorry for my rotten english... ;) > > bye, > -- > Arnaud - <http://skamp-zo.org> > > Campagne du ruban ASCII - Contre les mails en HTML () > ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML mails /\ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: InterSystems CACHE > FREE OODBMS DOWNLOAD - A multidimensional database that combines > robust object and relational technologies, making it a perfect match > for Java, C++,COM, XML, ODBC and JDBC. www.intersystems.com/match8 > _______________________________________________ > Jaws-project-developers mailing list > Jaw...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jaws-project-developers > -- Ariel Molina Rueda . . . . . . . . . . . ar...@fi... http://fismat.umich.mx/~ariel |
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From: Arno <afo...@te...> - 2004-11-20 14:09:57
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Hello, I've installed jaws for my blog and i'm quite happy :-) and I think it's a very good blog sofware :-) Btw, i found it will better if : * in the layout.html of each theme it would be inclued in the <head> part something like : <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS syndication" href="/xml/blog.rss" /> * all the database used by jaws was name somethink like jaws_(nameofthetable) * they were a french translation of Jaws (but i'm working on a translation, i think i'll sent the file before the end of next week :) ) sorry for my rotten english... ;) bye, -- Arnaud - <http://skamp-zo.org> Campagne du ruban ASCII - Contre les mails en HTML () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML mails /\ |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-16 10:56:56
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On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 21:27 -0600, Pablo Fischer wrote: > BTW, Do you have a sourceforge account?, which one?. My SF account is Jellybob. > Pablo |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-16 07:44:23
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Attached are two diffs. One fixes the settings dialog in jaws-mvc, the other one fixes the Blog admin. Jon |
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From: Jon W. <jo...@je...> - 2004-11-16 07:02:12
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Hey, I've just written an initial specification for a package format for Gadgets and Plugins to allow easy installation. It's in my wiki, which allows anonymous editing, so feel free to make any changes/additions you feel make sense and see where things end up. You can find it at http://wiki.jellybob.co.uk/addon_install_specs Jon |