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From: Yuval K. <not...@wo...> - 2004-06-19 14:43:26
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On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:16:28 +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote: > If that's the case I should probably get it over with in the weekend, > and the flame-war I've been so anxious to start can finally begin. Uhh, right. The weekend. I didn't say which one, did I? ;-) http://nothingmuch.woobling.org/frytunes/objspec It's a little dirty, but my mind is about to melt and I think it's good enough. Ciao! --=20 () Yuval Kogman <not...@wo...> 0xEBD27418 perl hacker & /\ kung foo master: /me sneaks up from another MIME part: neeyah!!!!! |
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From: Brock <aw...@th...> - 2004-06-10 21:43:42
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On 2004.06.09.01.16, Yuval Kogman wrote: | Does anybody object to it being in dot/tex, to be munged into pretty | graphics by graphviz, and PDFs/whatever else? No, in fact I prefer this method. --Brock |
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From: Yuval K. <not...@wo...> - 2004-06-08 22:17:11
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Hi people... Being the big dictator of things in general, i've taken the liberty of bugging nearly all of you. I've since collected some thoughts, and have some goals and ideas, most of them yours. I must admit I have not given this a fraction of the time I thought I would, but I was getting impatient. It's all on paper right now. As a sort of graph, and outline document beside it. Does anybody object to it being in dot/tex, to be munged into pretty graphics by graphviz, and PDFs/whatever else? If that's the case I should probably get it over with in the weekend, and the flame-war I've been so anxious to start can finally begin. In case you haven't heard the usual speech: ID3 is crap. Music programs are crap. They limit you with pointless technical constraints instead of dealing well with how the logic of music really works. In ID3 you define an artist with a string, a "name". If it's several artists, you find a quirky solution like putting in slashes. Even worse, the data is stored inside the song itself. If you had a typo in the song name, you have to fix it everywhere. Aggregate functions help, but it's still an issue. Also, this data, being encapsulated in the media format, is not shared between the medias. PCM/WAV/AIFF have no such data. MPEG implements it with out of band frames - ones with invalid headers. OGG and FLAC are supposed to be better, but i think my point is made out. The idea is to create a data oriented application, which knows about music. It's runtime is set up by letting the user mix and match objects, fusing them together using a framework I wrote: Object::Meta::Plugin. These objects will let the user choose the technical aspects of the data - which persistence backend to use, what interface to play songs into, add a web GUI, use a certain codec implementation that's hardware optimized for their platform (uh, not in Perl), and so forth. These objects will be independant, and the O::M::P way solves this well in theory, encouraging atomic feature sets, and good interoperability, with few limiting conditions. What we lack is a data model which is stable, and flexible, so that we do not waste efforts later. This is a harder problem than it sounds, but those of you which I've bugged have shown an incredible amount of insight on how this should be solved, or what the problem actually is. The draft spec which will be typed up soon enough should provide the basis for something that can be ironed out, discussed to bits, refactored and maybe even eventully implemented. That's the agenda. Ciao! P.S. I never meant there to be so much hooplah about it all - but I think it adds to the general atmosphere around fryTunes, so it's not /that/ bad. I'm still sorry though.. =3D) P.P.S I'm working on the website a bit, from time to time. It will probably be done in Maypole, because I'm working on learning it right now. It will also be done using Petal, because I like Petal, and I've only put some work into it. The layout needs help, though. http://nothingmuch.woobling.org/frytunes-new/. It will also /not/ be hosted on sourceforge, because they don't give us mod_perl, which is no fun. The goals were standard compliance for ease of maintaince and better user experience, fiddling with stuff I haven't before (RSS reaggregation, MVC, SVG, CSS), and being informative. The last part will be resolved at some point in the future, perhaps. --=20 () Yuval Kogman <not...@wo...> 0xEBD27418 perl hacker & /\ kung foo master: /me tips over a cow: neeyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
