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[Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Steven Y. <ste...@gm...>]

Hi All,

I pushed another beta of 0.110.0 at:

http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar

This one now has a Parameter selection panel on the soundLayerPanel,
underneath where the mute, solo, etc. buttons are.  This now shows the
name of the parameter being edited, allows you to change the color of
the line, and also cycle to the next/previous parameter.  Also,
ScrollWheel support for changing lines has been removed for now.

I will be updating the Parameter name display to show more than just
the parameter name when I have a chance, to show what Instrument or
effect it is on, which is important since any parameter from any place
can be set within the same layer.

Any feedback would be very much appreciated!

Thanks,
steven

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Will L. <fil...@gm...>]

On 12/12/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I pushed another beta of 0.110.0 at:
>
> http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar
>
> This one now has a Parameter selection panel on the soundLayerPanel,
> underneath where the mute, solo, etc. buttons are.  This now shows the
> name of the parameter being edited, allows you to change the color of
> the line, and also cycle to the next/previous parameter.  Also,
> ScrollWheel support for changing lines has been removed for now.
>
> I will be updating the Parameter name display to show more than just
> the parameter name when I have a chance, to show what Instrument or
> effect it is on, which is important since any parameter from any place
> can be set within the same layer.
>
> Any feedback would be very much appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> steven

Steven,
You have really outdone yourself with this release, it's far more than
I was expecting.  To put it eloquently, you blew me away.  I've only
found one problem with the automation so far, and that's when I was
trying to automate an effect on a sub-channel.  Blue throws a
NullPointerException, then the whole score canvas shows up blank when
I try to close and re-open the project.

I'll continue toying around with it, but again, excellent work so far.

Thanks very much,
Will

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Steven Y. <ste...@gm...>]

Hi Will,

Thanks!  Glad you are enjoying this and also thanks very much for
reporting the issue with sub-channels, the one thing I realized I
haven't tested really at all!

I'm just catching up with emails and things I missed while flying all
day yesterday but have plenty of time today so will get this fixed and
the other reported bug with output filenames not being quoted.  I'll
email the list when I have another beta posted on kunstmusik.com.

Thanks again!
steven


On 12/13/06, Will L. <fil...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/12/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I pushed another beta of 0.110.0 at:
> >
> > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar
> >
> > This one now has a Parameter selection panel on the soundLayerPanel,
> > underneath where the mute, solo, etc. buttons are.  This now shows the
> > name of the parameter being edited, allows you to change the color of
> > the line, and also cycle to the next/previous parameter.  Also,
> > ScrollWheel support for changing lines has been removed for now.
> >
> > I will be updating the Parameter name display to show more than just
> > the parameter name when I have a chance, to show what Instrument or
> > effect it is on, which is important since any parameter from any place
> > can be set within the same layer.
> >
> > Any feedback would be very much appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > steven
>
> Steven,
> You have really outdone yourself with this release, it's far more than
> I was expecting.  To put it eloquently, you blew me away.  I've only
> found one problem with the automation so far, and that's when I was
> trying to automate an effect on a sub-channel.  Blue throws a
> NullPointerException, then the whole score canvas shows up blank when
> I try to close and re-open the project.
>
> I'll continue toying around with it, but again, excellent work so far.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Will
>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Steven Y. <ste...@gm...>]

Hi Will and all,

I've put up another beta at:

http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar

This has the subchannels thing fixed up (after an hour of using a
debugger I found it all came down to a typo!) as well as doing quotes
around output file names and keeping the render to disk dialog around
after finishing.

I haven't heard much else feedback besides Will's bug so I'm hoping
that means for everyone else who has had a chance to try things out
things are generally working out fine.  I'm going to start working on
documentation tomorrow and also will try to get 0 or negative
resolution working for the sliders.  I think I will be aiming for
release sometime in the next couple days so if you happen to find any
other bugs please let me know about them as soon as you can before I
go out making a release.

Thanks everyone!
steven

p.s. - For those who've had a chance to test out the parameter
automation, any thoughts on should I implement per-layer layer heights
(maybe can wait until after this release, or better before)?



On 12/14/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> Thanks!  Glad you are enjoying this and also thanks very much for
> reporting the issue with sub-channels, the one thing I realized I
> haven't tested really at all!
>
> I'm just catching up with emails and things I missed while flying all
> day yesterday but have plenty of time today so will get this fixed and
> the other reported bug with output filenames not being quoted.  I'll
> email the list when I have another beta posted on kunstmusik.com.
>
> Thanks again!
> steven
>
>
> On 12/13/06, Will L. <fil...@gm...> wrote:
> > On 12/12/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I pushed another beta of 0.110.0 at:
> > >
> > > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar
> > >
> > > This one now has a Parameter selection panel on the soundLayerPanel,
> > > underneath where the mute, solo, etc. buttons are.  This now shows the
> > > name of the parameter being edited, allows you to change the color of
> > > the line, and also cycle to the next/previous parameter.  Also,
> > > ScrollWheel support for changing lines has been removed for now.
> > >
> > > I will be updating the Parameter name display to show more than just
> > > the parameter name when I have a chance, to show what Instrument or
> > > effect it is on, which is important since any parameter from any place
> > > can be set within the same layer.
> > >
> > > Any feedback would be very much appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > steven
> >
> > Steven,
> > You have really outdone yourself with this release, it's far more than
> > I was expecting.  To put it eloquently, you blew me away.  I've only
> > found one problem with the automation so far, and that's when I was
> > trying to automate an effect on a sub-channel.  Blue throws a
> > NullPointerException, then the whole score canvas shows up blank when
> > I try to close and re-open the project.
> >
> > I'll continue toying around with it, but again, excellent work so far.
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > Will
> >
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Will L. <fil...@gm...>]

On 12/14/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Will and all,
>
> I've put up another beta at:
>
> http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar
>
> This has the subchannels thing fixed up (after an hour of using a
> debugger I found it all came down to a typo!) as well as doing quotes
> around output file names and keeping the render to disk dialog around
> after finishing.
>
> I haven't heard much else feedback besides Will's bug so I'm hoping
> that means for everyone else who has had a chance to try things out
> things are generally working out fine.  I'm going to start working on
> documentation tomorrow and also will try to get 0 or negative
> resolution working for the sliders.  I think I will be aiming for
> release sometime in the next couple days so if you happen to find any
> other bugs please let me know about them as soon as you can before I
> go out making a release.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> steven
>
> p.s. - For those who've had a chance to test out the parameter
> automation, any thoughts on should I implement per-layer layer heights
> (maybe can wait until after this release, or better before)?
>
>

Steven,
Thanks for fixing that so quickly!  Unfortunately, sub-channel
automation still doesn't work as expected.  Whenever I play the score,
the automated value stays where it was at the starting point and
doesn't automate anything during the playback.

There are, however, two things that are confusing me at the moment.
First off, what is the difference between single and multi line?
Secondly, how do I edit NoteProcessors on tracks?  I would assume it
has something to do with the "N" button, but I haven't been able to
figure it out.

I've also compiled a quick list of feature requests that I think would
make the automation interface a bit more usable.  These, again, are
just convenience things, and some are more difficult than others.
These can wait until a later release, if needs be.
1) A keyboard shortcut to switch between Score, Single Line, and Multi
Line mode.
2) Scroll-wheel shortcuts for zooming and track height.  In Ardour,
Ctrl+Wheel zooms (scrolling up zooms out and scrolling down zooms in),
and Shift+Wheel adjusts track height.  If possible, keeping the area
under the cursor centered would be a big help.
3) If possible, (and it may not be) independent track heights would be
incredibly useful.  This wasn't a problem before automation was
introduced, but now that there's a greater need to zoom in to do fine
changes on an automation curve, bringing one track into clearer view
while leaving the others alone is very nice.  Again turning to Ardour
for inspiration, this is done with the Shift-Wheel combination
mentioned above.  Ardour resizes the track under the mouse cursor with
this behavior.

Having a lot of fun with this release regardless, though, Steven.
Thanks again!
-will

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Steven Y. <ste...@gm...>]

Hi Will,

Sorry about it not working!  I tested with the SubChannel volume fader
automation and didn't try the effects as I thought the one bug would
address both and was working sort of quick.  I'll take a look in a
moment and will post another build tonight; I think I may have just
missed implementing this for the subchannels and if so it should be
really quick to fix.

The N button is correct except I realize I forgot to implement it!
There was a trick in that I had to pass something to the soundLayers
but I had forgotten to go back to fix it up.  I'll take care of that
tonight as well.

Regarding Multi-Line, it currently does nothing but is meant for later
to introduce a way to select groups of automation points and moving
them.  The name isn't good but haven't thought of better names.  I'll
probably skip it for this release but will implement for next release.
 (Sort of complicated to put in for now as I'm not sure what to do for
moving points if they should just clear existing points when move on
top of other points or what).

Regarding the requests:

1) Definitely would like shortcuts but am not sure what to use.  I
thought about removing the ctrl 1-6 shortcuts from being tabs (there
is a next/previous tab shortcut) to using ctrl 1-3 for the different
views as I thought those would be more important.  I have no idea
currently though on what shortcuts to use, so if you can think of some
let me know.  It'd be best if they not be letters I think as they
should be together on the keyboard and work with different language
layouts.  (repurposing ctrl 1-3 seems good to me, or possibly doing
ctrl-shift-1 - 3).

2) The Scroll wheel shortcuts seem good to me.  I didn't bring a
scroll wheel mouse here with me but can probably find one to use.  I
can code it up regardless.  Might not do today but could possibly do
tomorrow.

3) Right, I'm seeing the need for individual layer heights as well.  I
thought about adding a down arrow menu option (next to the A button)
on the sound layers that could have a popup for the 1-9 for layer
heights as well as be a place for future options.  I'll see if I can't
get that in tomorrow too.

I'm off to code! =)  BTW: Glad you're enjoying these new features!
(And will be looking forward to hearing what you come up with! =) )

steven


On 12/14/06, Will L. <fil...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/14/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> > Hi Will and all,
> >
> > I've put up another beta at:
> >
> > http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar
> >
> > This has the subchannels thing fixed up (after an hour of using a
> > debugger I found it all came down to a typo!) as well as doing quotes
> > around output file names and keeping the render to disk dialog around
> > after finishing.
> >
> > I haven't heard much else feedback besides Will's bug so I'm hoping
> > that means for everyone else who has had a chance to try things out
> > things are generally working out fine.  I'm going to start working on
> > documentation tomorrow and also will try to get 0 or negative
> > resolution working for the sliders.  I think I will be aiming for
> > release sometime in the next couple days so if you happen to find any
> > other bugs please let me know about them as soon as you can before I
> > go out making a release.
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> > steven
> >
> > p.s. - For those who've had a chance to test out the parameter
> > automation, any thoughts on should I implement per-layer layer heights
> > (maybe can wait until after this release, or better before)?
> >
> >
>
> Steven,
> Thanks for fixing that so quickly!  Unfortunately, sub-channel
> automation still doesn't work as expected.  Whenever I play the score,
> the automated value stays where it was at the starting point and
> doesn't automate anything during the playback.
>
> There are, however, two things that are confusing me at the moment.
> First off, what is the difference between single and multi line?
> Secondly, how do I edit NoteProcessors on tracks?  I would assume it
> has something to do with the "N" button, but I haven't been able to
> figure it out.
>
> I've also compiled a quick list of feature requests that I think would
> make the automation interface a bit more usable.  These, again, are
> just convenience things, and some are more difficult than others.
> These can wait until a later release, if needs be.
> 1) A keyboard shortcut to switch between Score, Single Line, and Multi
> Line mode.
> 2) Scroll-wheel shortcuts for zooming and track height.  In Ardour,
> Ctrl+Wheel zooms (scrolling up zooms out and scrolling down zooms in),
> and Shift+Wheel adjusts track height.  If possible, keeping the area
> under the cursor centered would be a big help.
> 3) If possible, (and it may not be) independent track heights would be
> incredibly useful.  This wasn't a problem before automation was
> introduced, but now that there's a greater need to zoom in to do fine
> changes on an automation curve, bringing one track into clearer view
> while leaving the others alone is very nice.  Again turning to Ardour
> for inspiration, this is done with the Shift-Wheel combination
> mentioned above.  Ardour resizes the track under the mouse cursor with
> this behavior.
>
> Having a lot of fun with this release regardless, though, Steven.
> Thanks again!
> -will
>
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Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Will L. <fil...@gm...>]

On 12/14/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> Sorry about it not working!  I tested with the SubChannel volume fader
> automation and didn't try the effects as I thought the one bug would
> address both and was working sort of quick.  I'll take a look in a
> moment and will post another build tonight; I think I may have just
> missed implementing this for the subchannels and if so it should be
> really quick to fix.
>
> The N button is correct except I realize I forgot to implement it!
> There was a trick in that I had to pass something to the soundLayers
> but I had forgotten to go back to fix it up.  I'll take care of that
> tonight as well.
>
> Regarding Multi-Line, it currently does nothing but is meant for later
> to introduce a way to select groups of automation points and moving
> them.  The name isn't good but haven't thought of better names.  I'll
> probably skip it for this release but will implement for next release.
>  (Sort of complicated to put in for now as I'm not sure what to do for
> moving points if they should just clear existing points when move on
> top of other points or what).
>

Sounds good, thanks again!

> Regarding the requests:
>
> 1) Definitely would like shortcuts but am not sure what to use.  I
> thought about removing the ctrl 1-6 shortcuts from being tabs (there
> is a next/previous tab shortcut) to using ctrl 1-3 for the different
> views as I thought those would be more important.  I have no idea
> currently though on what shortcuts to use, so if you can think of some
> let me know.  It'd be best if they not be letters I think as they
> should be together on the keyboard and work with different language
> layouts.  (repurposing ctrl 1-3 seems good to me, or possibly doing
> ctrl-shift-1 - 3).
>

I'd propose Alt 1-3, mostly because it's a very easy key combination
to press with your left hand, then your right can edit the points in
the automation curve.

> 2) The Scroll wheel shortcuts seem good to me.  I didn't bring a
> scroll wheel mouse here with me but can probably find one to use.  I
> can code it up regardless.  Might not do today but could possibly do
> tomorrow.
>
> 3) Right, I'm seeing the need for individual layer heights as well.  I
> thought about adding a down arrow menu option (next to the A button)
> on the sound layers that could have a popup for the 1-9 for layer
> heights as well as be a place for future options.  I'll see if I can't
> get that in tomorrow too.
>
> I'm off to code! =)  BTW: Glad you're enjoying these new features!
> (And will be looking forward to hearing what you come up with! =) )
>
> steven
>
>

I'll be sure to send some of it along when it gets to a listenable
state, I'm happy to report that I've been writing more music lately.
-will

Re: [Bluemusic-users] Updated 0.110.0 beta

[Steven Y. <ste...@gm...>]

Hi All,

I fell asleep and finished the two bug fixes when I woke up.  (A bit
off from flying and time zone change).  The updated beta is available
at the same location:

http://www.kunstmusik.com/blue_0.110.0_beta_installer.jar

I'll try out the Alt key combinations and the rest of changes after
some more sleep. =)

steven


On 12/14/06, Will L. <fil...@gm...> wrote:
> On 12/14/06, Steven Yi <ste...@gm...> wrote:
> > Hi Will,
> >
> > Sorry about it not working!  I tested with the SubChannel volume fader
> > automation and didn't try the effects as I thought the one bug would
> > address both and was working sort of quick.  I'll take a look in a
> > moment and will post another build tonight; I think I may have just
> > missed implementing this for the subchannels and if so it should be
> > really quick to fix.
> >
> > The N button is correct except I realize I forgot to implement it!
> > There was a trick in that I had to pass something to the soundLayers
> > but I had forgotten to go back to fix it up.  I'll take care of that
> > tonight as well.
> >
> > Regarding Multi-Line, it currently does nothing but is meant for later
> > to introduce a way to select groups of automation points and moving
> > them.  The name isn't good but haven't thought of better names.  I'll
> > probably skip it for this release but will implement for next release.
> >  (Sort of complicated to put in for now as I'm not sure what to do for
> > moving points if they should just clear existing points when move on
> > top of other points or what).
> >
>
> Sounds good, thanks again!
>
> > Regarding the requests:
> >
> > 1) Definitely would like shortcuts but am not sure what to use.  I
> > thought about removing the ctrl 1-6 shortcuts from being tabs (there
> > is a next/previous tab shortcut) to using ctrl 1-3 for the different
> > views as I thought those would be more important.  I have no idea
> > currently though on what shortcuts to use, so if you can think of some
> > let me know.  It'd be best if they not be letters I think as they
> > should be together on the keyboard and work with different language
> > layouts.  (repurposing ctrl 1-3 seems good to me, or possibly doing
> > ctrl-shift-1 - 3).
> >
>
> I'd propose Alt 1-3, mostly because it's a very easy key combination
> to press with your left hand, then your right can edit the points in
> the automation curve.
>
> > 2) The Scroll wheel shortcuts seem good to me.  I didn't bring a
> > scroll wheel mouse here with me but can probably find one to use.  I
> > can code it up regardless.  Might not do today but could possibly do
> > tomorrow.
> >
> > 3) Right, I'm seeing the need for individual layer heights as well.  I
> > thought about adding a down arrow menu option (next to the A button)
> > on the sound layers that could have a popup for the 1-9 for layer
> > heights as well as be a place for future options.  I'll see if I can't
> > get that in tomorrow too.
> >
> > I'm off to code! =)  BTW: Glad you're enjoying these new features!
> > (And will be looking forward to hearing what you come up with! =) )
> >
> > steven
> >
> >
>
> I'll be sure to send some of it along when it gets to a listenable
> state, I'm happy to report that I've been writing more music lately.
> -will
>
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