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Cool, keep us informed.  I have Darwin running on an old 486-80.  I am building
up a Pentium III-500  to test it on as well.  I have had little to no problems
with the 486 so far.  There is not much you can do with it (would make an
excellent coding computer), but check out the Gnu-Darwin page on SourceForge,
they have done serious work on porting the Gnu stuff to Darwin.

eiselekd hermes wrote:

> I'm just about to buy some old hardware to get the Drawin Kernel running on.
> Asus P2P-B AT+ Celeron 533MHz  Hope that will work in the first try.
> Will try to run the images from the Drawin site on it.
> eiselekd
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I'm just about to buy some old hardware to get the Drawin Kernel running on.
Asus P2P-B AT+ Celeron 533MHz  Hope that will work in the first try.
Will try to run the images from the Drawin site on it.
eiselekd

As many of you know, Darwin runs on the Intel platform, so we simply
need to verify the status of the kernel.  The main purpose we have now
is testing the kernel, writing drivers, and implementing the API.  We
may not need to rewrite the kernel, but there is more to the core of the
OS than the kernel.  Anyone who has a platform available for test,
please try to run the kernel as it is, and let the list know what needs
to be fixed and what needs to be improved.  As for the rest of you,
prepare for the needed changes to come in.  With the changes needed to
get Darwin to work on my machine, there should be more than enough
changes to keep us busy for a while.

Those of you with driver experience, or those of you who just want to
give it a shot, look on the Darwin site, see if all of your hardware is
supported, if not start doing the research to write a driver for your
hardware..

Anyway that is the status to date, please let me know where you think
you are.  For those of you who don't really want to/or can't do either
of the above, look at the API for OS X, and start thinking about how to
code up the different API routines.  Look at the file area, display
area, you know the major stuff.

Jim Powell
Kernel Manager
Winmac

A little of both actually, I plan to submit all work we do on the kernel
back into the Darwin CVS as Intel compatibility work, as well as to the
Winmac CVS (so put your name in whatever you change so you get credit for
it).  The additional work we do on the GUI and Mac compatibility code will
be independent.

-----Original Message-----
From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:26 AM
To: Pow...@na...; win...@li...
Subject: Re: [Winmac-kernel-dev] RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel

At the darwinfo site, I found a link on the status of darwin kernel on 
intel. Does winmac project aims to extend/comlete that work or is it 
something independant?

http://www.darwinfo.org/howto/intel.shtml

>From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
>To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>,        
>win...@li...
>Subject: [Winmac-kernel-dev] RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:24:17 -0800
>
>That is what I have been working on.  I knew it would be useful.  It will
>take a little more time to complete however, so if you want to take a
>section and start going through it making diagrams (OO, Structured,
>Flowcharts, whatever makes you happy) that would be appreciated (I have 
>been
>working primarily in xnu and since this software is written in C not C++ I
>have been using Structured Analysis and Design methodology and flowcharts.
>If you are more comfortable with OO, use that approach.  If it works out
>well, I will rework my stuff into that approach, if not I can help rework
>your stuff into SAD and Flowcharts).  I have always been of the opinion 
>that
>graphical representation of the code in any form is better than commented
>text or documents.  I am however still looking for docs (developers notes,
>etc) for the kernel.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
>Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:06 PM
>To: Pow...@na...
>Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
>
>
>I guess i will first look at the appletalk dir as I am familiar with
>socket\tcp code
>
>R there any docs. which give an over view of the entire kernel src ..some
>big picture .
>
>rahul
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:45:36 -0800
> >
> >Sorry, the Winmac (Darwin) Kernel is huge.  I divided it up into logical
> >units so that I didn't have a 2 day upload (ssh is very slow).  At the 
>root
> >level you will see xnu, appletalk, etc.  I would suggest downloading the
> >entire thing (all of it will have to be modified at some point) as you 
>have
> >time and bandwidth.  We are simply starting with the three subtasks I
> >mentioned above (unless more people sign up to help with the work), so 
>that
> >the GUI team has something to build on.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:34 AM
> >To: Pow...@na...
> >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> >
> >
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >I checked out the xnu module. I don't see the appletalk dir. u mentioned.

>I
> >couldn't see that on the cvs web interface. Am I missing some thing?
> >
> >rahul
> >
> >
> > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:21:55 -0800
> > >
> > >The first step will be getting xnu/appletalk/files online.  The reason 
>I
> > >sent out the message to everyone to get them to join the list is 
>because
> >I
> > >need to know how many people are on the project, so I have a clue how 
>to
> > >begin dividing up the work.  But as a general rule those are the things
> > >that
> > >will be worked on first.  As I get more response I can give you a more
> > >definite answer.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:48 PM
> > >To: Pow...@na...
> > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > >
> > >
> > >I have joined the mailing list. Will brows the src. Whats the initial
> >plan?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:31:31 -0800
> > > >
> > > >OK, we have the site setup started, we have the beginnings of a todo
> >list
> > > >on
> > > >there (limited do to the dual development.  If you are still 
>interested
> > >in
> > > >helping with the kernel development in the Winmac project I need you 
>to
> > >do
> > > >2
> > > >things:
> > > >
> > > >1.  Join the Kernel development mailing list and send an introduction
> >of
> > > >yourself.
> > > >2.  Get the xnu/appletalk/at_cmds/files code out of CVS and begin
> > > >familiarizing yourself with it.
> > > >
> > > >We need to get some discussion going on the list as to how to divide 
>up
> > >the
> > > >xnu/appletalk/File system initial work.
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:49 PM
> > > >To: Pow...@na...
> > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >My id is task_struct
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > > > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:16:56 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >OK, well we are just getting started.  I finished CVSing the Darwin
> > >code
> > > > >from the Apple site, and should begin uploading to our CVS tree
> > >tonight.
> > >
> > > >I
> > > > >am currently going through the code to see what needs to be done to
> > >port
> > > >it
> > > > >to the Intel/Clone chipset.  I should by Friday have a first draft 
>of
>
> >a
> > > > >to-do list available on the site, then people can begin signing up
> >for
> > > >the
> > > > >parts they want to work on.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >PS if you are not a member yet, email me with your sourceforge ID 
>and
>
> >I
> > > > >will
> > > > >try to add you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:49 PM
> > > > >To: Pow...@na...
> > > > >Subject: Intrested in winman for intel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi powelljf3,
> > > > >
> > > > >I am intested in joining the winmac team. I have a couple
> > > > >of years work exp. in kernel development working on Netware
> > > > >5.0 . Currently I am doing my Master's in computer science
> > > > >at MSU.
> > > > >
> > > > >Hope to hear from u.
> > > > >
> > > > >rahul
> > > >
> > >
> > 
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At the darwinfo site, I found a link on the status of darwin kernel on 
intel. Does winmac project aims to extend/comlete that work or is it 
something independant?

http://www.darwinfo.org/howto/intel.shtml

>From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
>To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>,        
>win...@li...
>Subject: [Winmac-kernel-dev] RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:24:17 -0800
>
>That is what I have been working on.  I knew it would be useful.  It will
>take a little more time to complete however, so if you want to take a
>section and start going through it making diagrams (OO, Structured,
>Flowcharts, whatever makes you happy) that would be appreciated (I have 
>been
>working primarily in xnu and since this software is written in C not C++ I
>have been using Structured Analysis and Design methodology and flowcharts.
>If you are more comfortable with OO, use that approach.  If it works out
>well, I will rework my stuff into that approach, if not I can help rework
>your stuff into SAD and Flowcharts).  I have always been of the opinion 
>that
>graphical representation of the code in any form is better than commented
>text or documents.  I am however still looking for docs (developers notes,
>etc) for the kernel.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
>Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:06 PM
>To: Pow...@na...
>Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
>
>
>I guess i will first look at the appletalk dir as I am familiar with
>socket\tcp code
>
>R there any docs. which give an over view of the entire kernel src ..some
>big picture .
>
>rahul
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:45:36 -0800
> >
> >Sorry, the Winmac (Darwin) Kernel is huge.  I divided it up into logical
> >units so that I didn't have a 2 day upload (ssh is very slow).  At the 
>root
> >level you will see xnu, appletalk, etc.  I would suggest downloading the
> >entire thing (all of it will have to be modified at some point) as you 
>have
> >time and bandwidth.  We are simply starting with the three subtasks I
> >mentioned above (unless more people sign up to help with the work), so 
>that
> >the GUI team has something to build on.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:34 AM
> >To: Pow...@na...
> >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> >
> >
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >I checked out the xnu module. I don't see the appletalk dir. u mentioned. 
>I
> >couldn't see that on the cvs web interface. Am I missing some thing?
> >
> >rahul
> >
> >
> > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:21:55 -0800
> > >
> > >The first step will be getting xnu/appletalk/files online.  The reason 
>I
> > >sent out the message to everyone to get them to join the list is 
>because
> >I
> > >need to know how many people are on the project, so I have a clue how 
>to
> > >begin dividing up the work.  But as a general rule those are the things
> > >that
> > >will be worked on first.  As I get more response I can give you a more
> > >definite answer.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:48 PM
> > >To: Pow...@na...
> > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > >
> > >
> > >I have joined the mailing list. Will brows the src. Whats the initial
> >plan?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:31:31 -0800
> > > >
> > > >OK, we have the site setup started, we have the beginnings of a todo
> >list
> > > >on
> > > >there (limited do to the dual development.  If you are still 
>interested
> > >in
> > > >helping with the kernel development in the Winmac project I need you 
>to
> > >do
> > > >2
> > > >things:
> > > >
> > > >1.  Join the Kernel development mailing list and send an introduction
> >of
> > > >yourself.
> > > >2.  Get the xnu/appletalk/at_cmds/files code out of CVS and begin
> > > >familiarizing yourself with it.
> > > >
> > > >We need to get some discussion going on the list as to how to divide 
>up
> > >the
> > > >xnu/appletalk/File system initial work.
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:49 PM
> > > >To: Pow...@na...
> > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >My id is task_struct
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > > > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:16:56 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >OK, well we are just getting started.  I finished CVSing the Darwin
> > >code
> > > > >from the Apple site, and should begin uploading to our CVS tree
> > >tonight.
> > >
> > > >I
> > > > >am currently going through the code to see what needs to be done to
> > >port
> > > >it
> > > > >to the Intel/Clone chipset.  I should by Friday have a first draft 
>of
>
> >a
> > > > >to-do list available on the site, then people can begin signing up
> >for
> > > >the
> > > > >parts they want to work on.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >PS if you are not a member yet, email me with your sourceforge ID 
>and
>
> >I
> > > > >will
> > > > >try to add you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:49 PM
> > > > >To: Pow...@na...
> > > > >Subject: Intrested in winman for intel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi powelljf3,
> > > > >
> > > > >I am intested in joining the winmac team. I have a couple
> > > > >of years work exp. in kernel development working on Netware
> > > > >5.0 . Currently I am doing my Master's in computer science
> > > > >at MSU.
> > > > >
> > > > >Hope to hear from u.
> > > > >
> > > > >rahul
> > > >
> > >
> > 
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That is what I have been working on.  I knew it would be useful.  It will
take a little more time to complete however, so if you want to take a
section and start going through it making diagrams (OO, Structured,
Flowcharts, whatever makes you happy) that would be appreciated (I have been
working primarily in xnu and since this software is written in C not C++ I
have been using Structured Analysis and Design methodology and flowcharts.
If you are more comfortable with OO, use that approach.  If it works out
well, I will rework my stuff into that approach, if not I can help rework
your stuff into SAD and Flowcharts).  I have always been of the opinion that
graphical representation of the code in any form is better than commented
text or documents.  I am however still looking for docs (developers notes,
etc) for the kernel.

-----Original Message-----
From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:06 PM
To: Pow...@na...
Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel

I guess i will first look at the appletalk dir as I am familiar with 
socket\tcp code

R there any docs. which give an over view of the entire kernel src ..some 
big picture .

rahul

>From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
>To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
>Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:45:36 -0800
>
>Sorry, the Winmac (Darwin) Kernel is huge.  I divided it up into logical
>units so that I didn't have a 2 day upload (ssh is very slow).  At the root
>level you will see xnu, appletalk, etc.  I would suggest downloading the
>entire thing (all of it will have to be modified at some point) as you have
>time and bandwidth.  We are simply starting with the three subtasks I
>mentioned above (unless more people sign up to help with the work), so that
>the GUI team has something to build on.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
>Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:34 AM
>To: Pow...@na...
>Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I checked out the xnu module. I don't see the appletalk dir. u mentioned. I
>couldn't see that on the cvs web interface. Am I missing some thing?
>
>rahul
>
>
> >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:21:55 -0800
> >
> >The first step will be getting xnu/appletalk/files online.  The reason I
> >sent out the message to everyone to get them to join the list is because 
>I
> >need to know how many people are on the project, so I have a clue how to
> >begin dividing up the work.  But as a general rule those are the things
> >that
> >will be worked on first.  As I get more response I can give you a more
> >definite answer.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:48 PM
> >To: Pow...@na...
> >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> >
> >
> >I have joined the mailing list. Will brows the src. Whats the initial 
>plan?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:31:31 -0800
> > >
> > >OK, we have the site setup started, we have the beginnings of a todo 
>list
> > >on
> > >there (limited do to the dual development.  If you are still interested
> >in
> > >helping with the kernel development in the Winmac project I need you to
> >do
> > >2
> > >things:
> > >
> > >1.  Join the Kernel development mailing list and send an introduction 
>of
> > >yourself.
> > >2.  Get the xnu/appletalk/at_cmds/files code out of CVS and begin
> > >familiarizing yourself with it.
> > >
> > >We need to get some discussion going on the list as to how to divide up
> >the
> > >xnu/appletalk/File system initial work.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:49 PM
> > >To: Pow...@na...
> > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >My id is task_struct
> > >
> > > >From: "Powell, Jim (EER)" <Pow...@na...>
> > > >To: rahul kalaskar <r_k...@ho...>
> > > >Subject: RE: Interested in WinMac for Intel
> > > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:16:56 -0800
> > > >
> > > >OK, well we are just getting started.  I finished CVSing the Darwin
> >code
> > > >from the Apple site, and should begin uploading to our CVS tree
> >tonight.
> >
> > >I
> > > >am currently going through the code to see what needs to be done to
> >port
> > >it
> > > >to the Intel/Clone chipset.  I should by Friday have a first draft of

>a
> > > >to-do list available on the site, then people can begin signing up 
>for
> > >the
> > > >parts they want to work on.
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >
> > > >PS if you are not a member yet, email me with your sourceforge ID and

>I
> > > >will
> > > >try to add you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: rahul kalaskar [mailto:r_k...@ho...]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:49 PM
> > > >To: Pow...@na...
> > > >Subject: Intrested in winman for intel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi powelljf3,
> > > >
> > > >I am intested in joining the winmac team. I have a couple
> > > >of years work exp. in kernel development working on Netware
> > > >5.0 . Currently I am doing my Master's in computer science
> > > >at MSU.
> > > >
> > > >Hope to hear from u.
> > > >
> > > >rahul
> > >
> > 
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