emacs --geometry=90x50+5+5 misbehaves in vtwm

[reikred]

I use emacs -g PARAMS or emacs --geometry=PARAMS to place my emacs instances on the screen in vtwm. Sometime fairly recently (last year?) this stopped working, and emacs just starts in some fixed position that is NOT +5+5 (or whatever other value was prescribed) . The size portion of the parameters works ok. Any additional emacs instances get staggered relative to the original faulty position. Not specifying a position at all gives the same result as specifying a position.

In gnome desktop, the geometry position settings work. Other programs such as xterm continue to work properly with -g PARAMS also with vtwm. What could be the reason that emacs is misbehaving?

Context:
emacs- 27.1
vtwm-5.5.0
ubuntu 22.04.4 up to date as of 2 days ago

(Please note: I tried mailing this directly to the
"[vtwm:discussion]" 936866@discussion.vtwm.p.re.sourceforge.net
mailing list, but the by-mail submission did not appear here on sourceforge. Maybe I forgot how this is supposed to work, should I post here first and then afterwards use email for all replies, is that the procedure?)

[Callum Gibson]

Yes, I sent a mail reply to the notification and it didn't work. This is only a web interface to the discussion, not the proper mailing list. There is a separate tab for that and you should post general discussion to vtwm-hackers. Hardly anyone will be subscribed to updates to the sourceforge discussion page.

In terms of emacs, an unhelpful reply would be that vtwm hasn't changed. Is this a pure Xorg system or is wayland involved?

[reikred]

I can't even tell whether what I run is X or Wayland or xwayland. This is
how I start X (?) from the "console", no display manager involved, I think.
I am specifically running init 3 on the kernel command line to prevent
gnome from starting.

xinit xterm -- vt2 -depth 24 > & ~/logfiles/log.X11 &

I know that xwayland exists (some packages are installed) on my ubuntu
system, but not sure if it is being used. I tried some of the suggestions
for determining whether wayland, using
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202891/how-to-know-whether-wayland-or-x11-is-being-used
, but I do not have a conclusive answer.

Thanks, Callum. Not sure if I should attempt to move the discussion to
vtwm-hackers list at this point. Feel free if it makes sense to cc: that
list.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 9:26 PM Callum Gibson callum_gibson@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

Yes, I sent a mail reply to the notification and it didn't work. This is
only a web interface to the discussion, not the proper mailing list. There
is a separate tab for that and you should post general discussion to
vtwm-hackers. Hardly anyone will be subscribed to updates to the
sourceforge discussion page.

In terms of emacs, an unhelpful reply would be that vtwm hasn't changed.
Is this a pure Xorg system or is wayland involved?

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[reikred]

I can't even tell whether what I run is Xorg or Wayland or xwayland. The below is how I start Xorg (?) from the "console", no display manager involved, I think. I am specifically running init 3 on the kernel command line to prevent gnome from starting.

xinit xterm -- vt2 -depth 24 > & ~/logfiles/log.X11 &

I know that xwayland exists (some packages are installed) on my ubuntu system, but not sure if it is being used. I tried some of the suggestions for determining whether wayland is active, using https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202891/how-to-know-whether-wayland-or-x11-is-being-used , but I do not have a conclusive answer.

Thanks, Callum. Not sure if I should attempt to move the discussion to vtwm-hackers list at this point. Feel free if it makes sense to cc: that list.

(I pasted the above in here on sourceforge since likely my email reply again will not arrive here. I had this old conception that once the thread started then email replies would get posted here, but now I realized the emails get generated from here. There's something about how this works that just makes me stupid, please bear with me).

[Callum Gibson]

Ok, I thought it might have been disabled due to spam, and I did get a bounce message before, but this time it seems to have worked.

I don't have any further thoughts however. And like I say, if you want wider visibility of the issue you'll need to raise it on the list because I'm pretty sure only I'm going to see it here.

[reikred]

Thanks, Callum, for being so helpful and understanding. I'll post the topic on vtwm-hackers tomorrow when I have time. I just made another blunder doing some edits to improve the clarity of the question, and of course that generated more posts and more emails. Ugh. I'll just stop now.