Minsky / Ravel / #673 Right-click menu on Ravels dies after linking

Steve Keen - 2025-02-26

RVL fle I was working on.

DebtAndEmployment.rvl

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Steve Keen - 2025-02-26

It appears to be saved as a "feature" too--reloading Ravel and opening that file didn't remove the problem.

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High Performance Coder - 2025-03-01

Ah lovely. A timebomb left by the Coditas crew. It appears that they supplied a limited sequence of icons representing the link group colours, so when more than 8 groups of linked ravels is hit, you get a resource not found error. The answer (probably) is use a modulo operator to wrap the link group index around so that it always stays within the limited palette of colours.

Not exactly fatal, though, I'll reassign the priority.

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High Performance Coder - 2025-03-01

Priority: 1Fatal --> 5SlightlyUrgent
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- Steve Keen - 2025-03-01
  
  It will be fatal though once people start creating large documents, as I
  did there. I’d like to do a Ford Prefect on this and at least remove the
  Slightly.
  
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  On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 at 04:51, High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
  
  Priority: 1Fatal --> 5SlightlyUrgent
  
  [ravel:#673] https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/673/ Right-click
  menu on Ravels dies after linking
  
  Status: open
  Milestone: Babbage
  Created: Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:13 AM UTC by Steve Keen
  Last Updated: Sat Mar 01, 2025 03:51 AM UTC
  Owner: nobody
  Attachments:
  
  RightClickFailOnRavels20250226.mp4
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/673/attachment/RightClickFailOnRavels20250226.mp4
  (31.0 MB; video/mp4)
  
  This started happening a day or two ago, but I didn't have my screen
  capture software installed on my new desktop.
  
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Steve Keen - 2025-03-01

We should also take this as an opportunity to create named linked groups. Colours can remain as a visual aid, but the names be used for linking. "Unemployment-Credit Comparison", "Relative economic rankings", "Housing Bubble", etc.

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Steve Keen - 2025-03-01

Attachments has changed:

Diff:

--- old +++ new @@ -1 +1,2 @@ +DebtAnalysisUSA.rvl (1.4 MB; application/octet-stream) RightClickFailOnRavels20250226.mp4 (31.0 MB; video/mp4)

Priority: 5SlightlyUrgent --> 2Critical
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Steve Keen - 2025-03-01

Sorry mate, but this is critical. I am trying to create a video, and because I have 7--not 8--linked Ravels in one group, I can't create the video.

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Steve Keen - 2025-03-01

PS this is not seven groups: this is 7 Ravels in one group.

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Steve Keen - 2025-03-01

It's worse than the cause you identified: one group with 2 Ravels in it, and I lose access to the right-click menu.

RightClickFailOnRavels20250301.mp4

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Steve Keen - 2025-03-02

Here;'s another demo: it seems to happen when there are 8 or more Ravels--not 8 or more in a linked set, or 8 or more linked sets. It's making the program unusable for producing the videos that I hope are going to trigger more sales.

RoaringTwentiesAndGreatDepressionData.rvl

RoaringTwentiesAndGreatDepressionDataReducedRavels.rvl

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- Steve Keen - 2025-03-02
  
  Here's the video--too big for SourceForge
  RightClickFailOnRavels20250303.mp4
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vDQR7cWKL0lvnOW6gAlxtTW_pORoop0o/view?usp=drive_web
  
  On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 4:33 PM Steve Keen profstevekeen@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
  
  Here;'s another demo: it seems to happen when there are 8 or more
  Ravels--not 8 or more in a linked set, or 8 or more linked sets. It's
  making the program unusable for producing the videos that I hope are going
  to trigger more sales.
  
  Attachments:
  
  RoaringTwentiesAndGreatDepressionData.rvl
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/_discuss/thread/7f1cb67ae9/96e8/attachment/RoaringTwentiesAndGreatDepressionData.rvl
  (100.6 kB; application/octet-stream)
  
  RoaringTwentiesAndGreatDepressionDataReducedRavels.rvl
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/_discuss/thread/7f1cb67ae9/96e8/attachment/RoaringTwentiesAndGreatDepressionDataReducedRavels.rvl
  (87.3 kB; application/octet-stream)
  
  [ravel:#673] https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/673/ Right-click
  menu on Ravels dies after linking
  
  Status: open
  Milestone: Babbage
  Created: Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:13 AM UTC by Steve Keen
  Last Updated: Sat Mar 01, 2025 06:27 PM UTC
  Owner: nobody
  Attachments:
  
  DebtAnalysisUSA.rvl
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/673/attachment/DebtAnalysisUSA.rvl
  (1.4 MB; application/octet-stream)
  
  RightClickFailOnRavels20250226.mp4
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/673/attachment/RightClickFailOnRavels20250226.mp4
  (31.0 MB; video/mp4)
  
  This started happening a day or two ago, but I didn't have my screen
  capture software installed on my new desktop.
  
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High Performance Coder - 2025-03-02

Milestone: Babbage --> Backlog
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High Performance Coder - 2025-03-03

It's still related to the number of link groups, but not the number currently in the model, but rather the number since the beginning of the model.

Anyway, fixed now by wrapping the linkgroup number around once the number of colours has been reached.

Your idea of naming the link groups is good, but let's make that a feature request, and make it optional. Requiring users to name their linkgroups adds additional friction.

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High Performance Coder - 2025-03-03

status: open --> closed

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- Steve Keen - 2025-03-03
  
  Or we give them a default name as we do integrals right now--Linked01,
  Linked02--and the user can edit that if they wish.
  
  Ditto for Groups I would suggest. As Ravels get more complex--especially
  with the Librarian feature and SQL integration. This is similar to Excel
  naming Tabs Sheet1, Sheet2.
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