Re: [Bluemusic-users] Blue synthbuilder
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From: Steven Y. <ste...@gm...> - 2006-04-23 01:34:05
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Hi Peiman, Thanks for alerting me to this bug; it seems that I made an assumption in the code that worked when I first build BSB, but since adding the ObjectBuilder and EffectsEditor that reuses the code, is no longer correct. I'll be fixing that and uploading a bug fix version in an hour or two. For the short term however, you can use the shortcuts (which is what I use normally and the reason I missed that the popup was a bug!): Ctrl-X - Cut selected Objects Ctrl-C - Copy Selected Objects Delete - Delete Selected Objects Ctrl-Left Mouse Click - Paste Copied objects As for Etude, I'm very glad you enjoyed it! As for the aesthetic question, I don't often find myself thinking of things being written for "real" instruments or not, and consider sounds, regardless of their origin, whether sampled, synthetic, analyzed and resynthesized, etc., as being sounds, each with their own qualities. When I am working with the sounds I use, I find that the material is often inseparable from the qualities of the sound themselves, and the balancing of the material is highly dependent upon the sounds I am using. I think if the sounds of the piece were to exchanged with different sounds, the quality of the piece would be very different, and perhaps the experience of the work. Not that it would necessarily have a bad result, but just very different. I think the synthetic sounds used in Etude really have a certain presence and richness that are very different than the quality of sounds from the standard body of Western instruments found in the orchestra. Also, there are things being done that would be near impossible to get out of performers, the triangular envelope which I use. The organ sound would also be impossible to have as it sounds in the piece if performed on a live organ as it uses the triangular envelope and does so with notes sounded together but performed at different times. Another concern of mine--one that is very important to me in regards to blue--is that if I was to notate this in standard notation to be performed by live musicians on acoustic instruments, to get the timing exactly as I have in the piece, the notation would become rediculously complex, to the point that the notation required to keep everything accuratley in sync amongst a body of performers would service to keep the whole performing together but the notation would not reflect the musical intention of what I wanted. This is to me one of the biggest difficulties of notation and reason why I don't do it very often. I use notation to sketch an idea for single lines, or to notate harmonies, but when it comes to working with the ideas in time and coordinating them, the ideas are lost. For example, let's say the musical idea is four quarter notes. Now, in stretto, before the completion of the idea I'd like to introduce a second performance of the musical idea, to be played with the same character as four even quarter notes, but the entrance is to come in on the third eigth note of a quintuplet and the durations of the notes to last six quintuplets each, it is notatable with tied quintuplets but the performance is near impossible. The effect desired is an echo, slightly slower, perhaps transposed, but because of the difficult notation where note starts are coming in on awkard divisions of the beat, it would be hard pressed for a performer to read that and perform without some syncopation to the performance. Feldman to some degree exploits that quality in his notation, sometimes notating things differently that in absolute measurements would be exactly the same, but in performance have a different quality as the performer is working of a metrical pulse. A simplistic example of this is a 3/4 measure with dotted quarter, dotted quarter, then the next mesaure being 2/4 and having quarter, quarter, with a metric modulation of dotted quarter =3D quarter. The alternative to this is to represent the ideas as they are and signal entry points, similar to how Crumb notates some of his music with arrows showing when one line of material enters in relationship to another line. This allows the intention of the performed line to be respected, but it also introduces a degree of freedom of interpretation, which if that is fine within the context of the music is great, but if the time is delicate and requires some fair degree of exactness, can ruin the piece. In blue, it is easy for me to notate something as four quarter notes, take a copy and augment the duration slightly, transpose, and have it enter exactly where I feel it is effective, to listen and adjust.=20 This is one of the biggest reasons I started blue in the first place, to allow this kind of freedom to represent lines as they are but also have subtle, delicate adjustments to time. Well, hope that sheds some light on some of my concerns in the piece as well as some of the things which are on my mind in regards to notation, acoustic, and electronic music, and perhaps a bit of my point of view which often finds its way into blue. steven On 4/22/06, Peiman Khosravi <pei...@ao...> wrote: > Dear Steven, > > I have been following the development of blue for sometime (since I > started learning Csound!) and am using it with great pleasure for > sound design... > > A few moments ago I was trying to use the synthbuilder to make a > simple instrument when [I think!] a strange behavior was brought to > my attention: I am unable to delete, cut or copy GUI objects inserted > on the synthbuilder environment. I right click on the object then > select remove but nothing happens. Am I perhaps doing something wrong? > > I am on a OSX 10.4.6 laptop. > > I would very much appreciate any comments > > Many thanks > > Peiman > > P.S. I very much enjoyed hearing your recent piece "etude". Great > orchestral sounds and textures with a lot of depth. The only thing > that I found maybe a little questionable on an aesthetic level was if > perhaps it could have been written for real instruments (?). Although > there is such great attention to detail (particularly tuning) that I > think the use of the computer is justified. All the best :-) > Peiman > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job ea= sier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim= o > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat= =3D121642 > _______________________________________________ > Bluemusic-users mailing list > Blu...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluemusic-users > |