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 Hi. Can anybody please explain me how to compile JMaPacman? The game uses marauroa, but i don't know how to combine them, otherwise Pacman is missing classes from marauroa. I read faq for both of them but nothing else is said except "build them with ant". Building marauroa is okay but it doesn't effect Pacman because i'm missing something important in combining them ^(



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Alex Nikitin

Hi James,

Nice to meet you. We always welcome help with fixings bugs and implementing
new features - previous experience of Java isn't even always necessary, but
if you are studying it already that is great.

What you've already done is pretty much right - looking for a bug you like
the look of and then submitting a patch. Please feel free to come to talk to
the developers in #arianne on irc.freenode.net to discuss which may be the
best bugs or features to work on so that you're assured your efforts are
heading in the right direction. If it happens that you're around when most
of us our sleeping, we can still reply and you can read the channel logs
later (check the channel topic for details.)

Another idea, since you have played the game, is to create a new quest. It's
a good introduction to some of the core Stendhal code.  We have a quest
contribution guide - from the ideas stage through discussion with the team,
coding and testing at
http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/Stendhal_Quest_Contribution

Kind regards

Katie

Hello everyone,

I hope this is not too much trouble for you but I need your help.

I am an undergraduate computer science student in Italy and as part of our
graduation process we are required to to write a dissertation about some
relevant argument. I have chosen software size estimation. I won't bother
you with details but I need to analyze some open source software to prove my
theory. Among other projects I have also chosen stendhal (there is a bit of
confusion as to what it's name really is, since I have seen 3 different
names: stendhal, arianne and maraurora; but it's irrelevant :)  ).
I am now in the final stages of my project and  I lack some information that
I need to complete the work.

What I need from you, and I hope you will be willing to help, is a list of
developers that participate to the stendhal project. In particular I need
the nicknames of your developers that you have been used in the @author tag
(?) in your source code. I need it so I can decide which parts of your
source code has been developed by you and which one is reused open source
code. Nowadays, reusing code is an important part of software development
and since size is quite closely related to effort, I need to rule out reused
code, which of course is not part of dev effort.

If you have any other suggestions (as opposed to checking the authors) as to
how I could find out the reused code in your program I would really like to
hear them too. I know many relatively small open source programs out there
don't really rely on reuse to be built since usually they are very specific
and need code specifically designed for them (I know it since I've been
involved with some and most of the times I prefer to do stuff from scratch
rather than adapting existing code :) ).

If you would be kind enough to help me out it will be much appreciated
(especially senior developers which (probably) know more about the history
of the project).

I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

Best,

Corneliu Ilisescu

Hi,

I've been playing around in Stendhal lately and was wondering if I could
join your project team for Arianne. I am studying Java at the moment in
college and would like to be a part of a team to get some experience. Would
I be able to join and start helping on some of these bugs?

Regards,
James.


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Hi Fei,

We do have a framework for translating texts, however it was removed
because all those who had suggested translation and started on it, did
not complete the translation as it is a very big job. So it wasn't
being used. If there's a use, we'll add it again.

If you would like to start on translating Stendhal, we'd suggest that
you begin with the texts (descriptions, names?) in items/*.xml and
creatures/*.xml

Instead of editing the original English files, what you need to do is
create a file for the translation which contains a line for each
translation in the format

english text=translated text

e.g. using german as an example, create de.properties and that should contain

rat=Ratte
cat=Katze
You see a blunt knife which looks capable of little damage.=Du siehst
ein stumpfes Messer, das so aussieht, als ob es nur wenig Schaden
machen kann.

So you can create jp.properties for a Japanese translation, say.

After that you might move onto the texts that NPCs say, which are
coded in Java files in the source. However you might want to test that
our framework works as you expect, so please contact us for details on
adding the translation framework, once you have tried translating
items and creatures using the format suggested above.

Regards,

kymara

On 20 April 2011 07:53, Tengfei Shen <u49...@an...> wrote:
>  hi guys, I have great interest in helping the development of this game,does
> the game support for multi-language? Because many of my Asian friends like
> this game too. maybe I can do the translation into other languages for the
> game..... Japanese or Chinese.
>
> Fei  :)

 hi  guys, I have great interest in helping the development of this  game,does the game support for multi-language?  Because many of my Asian  friends like this game too. maybe I can do the translation  into other  languages for the game..... Japanese or  Chinese.

Fei  :) 

> I try to establish the development, and i create a acount in client, and
> then try to login
>
> but always tell username and password is not correct, can you help to tell
> what is the problem and help to solve it?

Hi there,

Please could you give more detail on the error?
Error logs and code that you use would be needed for us to diagnose the problem.

If you are looking for a guide to start coding client and server
communication with Marauroa,
http://stendhalgame.org/wiki/ClientServerChatExample is useful

If you'd like to discuss issues in real time you can reach the team at
#arianne on irc.freenode.net, or with this link:

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=arianne
- just ask and hang round for a response.

Thanks!

kymara

Try asking at irc.freenode.net #arianne or searching at the Wiki

This mailing list has been abandoned for a long time.

Regards,
Miguel

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hi,
 
I try to establish the development, and i create a acount in client, and then try to login
 
but always tell username and password is not correct, can you help to tell what is the problem and help to solve it?
 
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IMHO the best option would be integrating the word list editor into the Stendhal client and use the already existing client/server connection to transmit the data because:

- It complements the policy of storing all data generated by the Stendhal server at one single place with accessing it in a single way as well.

- From a perspective of performance, it allows moving the CPU load of running the user interface from the server to the client, which in this case is significative given that the server can already experience heavy loads just from running the game itself, which in many cases results in noticeable lag for the end users.

- From an end user's perspective, it makes it transparent -invisible- to her the setup of the word list editor service on the hosting server as well as the access to the editor interface from the client side.

Cheers,
  Osl



      

Hello Oslsachem,

>> What are your ideas and opinions about the word list
>> editor?
>
> I'm afraid I can only contribute with questions for now :)

You are very welcome.


> Can the parser be -easily- configured so that it doesn't start to  
> consider the new words once they get added but simply stores them?

New words are not given any type information at first. But while  
parsing sentences directed to NPCs, there take place transformations,  
which are influenced by this new words, as it seems. At least this is  
my interpretation of the bug report. Well, I should look more into  
detail and try to reproduce the problem...
To answer your question directly: Ideally there should be no influence  
of new words to following inputs without assigning types to them  
manually. But currently this doesn't seem to work in all cases because  
of the complexity of the parser transformations.

<german>
Neuen Wörtern wird zunächst einmal noch kein Typ und somit auch  
keinerlei Bedeutung zugeordnet. Allerdings finden während der  
Erkennung von Sätzen, die an NPCs gerichtet sind, Transformationen  
statt, auf die diese neuen Wörter scheinbar gelegentlich doch Einfluß  
nehmen. Zumindest kann ich mir nur auf diese Weise den Bug Report  
erklären. OK, ich sollte wohl demnächst versuchen, das Problem näher  
zu betrachten und den Fall zu reproduzieren. Ich fürchte nur, das wird  
nicht so ganz einfach werden.
Um Deine Frage direkt zu beantworten: Idealerweise sollten die neuen  
Wörter keinen Einfluß auf folgende Eingaben haben, so lange ihnen  
nicht explizit ein Word-Typ zugeordnet wird. Nur scheint dies aufgrund  
der Komplexität des Parser-Algorithmus derzeit nicht immer der Fall zu  
sein.
</german>


> Why is the run-time/dynamically generated word list -presumably-  
> stored inside a database instead of just a (flat) file as the  
> original hard-coded list is?

We think it is the lean way to store all data generated by the  
Stendhal server at one single place, that is in the database.  
Technically it is of course no problem to store the word list in file  
format. In fact this has already been done during the development  
phase of the NPC parser.

<german>
Wir denken, es ist der saubere Weg, alle vom Stendhal-Server  
gespeicherten Daten an einer einzigen Stelle - also in der Datenbank  
abzulegen. Technisch gesehen wäre es natürlich kein Problem, die  
Wortliste wieder wie früher in einer Datei zu speichern. In der ersten  
Entwicklungsphase des NPC-Parsers war das bereits der Fall.
</german>


> As it needs to be manually supervised, what could be the growth rate  
> of this list (number of words per day)?

We could answer our server admins - they should know about the current  
size of the list and have some impression about the growth rate. I  
know, there are some fundamental concerns about storing the words at  
all because one could make conclusions from the new vocabulary to the  
current discussions in the game (NPCs some times also listen to user  
discussions).

<german>
Dazu können wir unsere Server-Admistratoren fragen. Sie sollten  
eigentlich einen Eindruck von der aktuellen Größe und der ungefähren  
Wachstumssrate haben. Ich weis, auch dass es einige Bedenken gegenüber  
der Speicherung der Wörter an sich gibt, da gewisse Rückschlüsse aus  
dem neu dazukommenden Vokabular auf die aktuellen Diskussionen im  
Spiel zu ziehen sind. Daher sollten auch nur Admins Zugriff auf die  
Wortliste haben (NPCs bekommen manchmal auch Diskussionen mit, die  
eigentlich nicht an sie gerichtet waren).
</german>


> Are there any additional requirements (appearance frequency, ...)  
> for the new words to get added to that automatically generated list?

Currently any new word, that is not derived from any already know  
word, is added to the word list (see also  
SentenceImplementation.classifyWords() in the source code).

<german>
Zur Zeit wird jedes bisher unbekannte Wort, das nicht von einem der  
bereits bekannten abgeleitet ist, in die Wortliste aufgenommen (siehe  
auch SentenceImplementation.classifyWords() iim Quellcode).
</german>


> Is there a necessity or are there any benefits for an online list  
> editor over editing the original file offline and updating it during  
> server restarts?

<german>
Ein Online-Editor könnte die Bedienung vereinfachen. Er würde z.B.  
Auwahllisten für den Wort-Typ bereitstellen, um versehentlichen  
Fehleingaben zu vermeiden. Außerdem kann man so Sonderfunktionen wie  
die im folgenden Inline-Kommentar beschriebenen vorsehen.
</german>

package games.stendhal.server.entity.npc.parser;

/**
  * WordListEditor is a graphical tool to administer the word list  
stored in the database. It provides
  * the following functionality:
  * - (re-)initialize the database with the pre-configured word list  
by calling WordListUpdate
  * - associate word types, plural, numerical values and aliases with  
new words - remove wrong
  *   spelled words - add new entries
  * - print out the "words.txt" file to update the source, which  
initializes new word lists
  *
  * @author Martin Fuchs
  */
public class WordListEditor {

     public static void main(final String[] args) {
         // TODO implement WordListEditor
     }

}


By the way:
The <german> sections are there because it is some times easier for me  
to write the german text first and then translate all into english. So  
if you prefer German, just read this version of my messages - it's a  
free spin-off feature.   ;-)


Regards,

     Martin

> What are your ideas and opinions about the word list
> editor?

I'm afraid I can only contribute with questions for now :)

Can the parser be -easily- configured so that it doesn't start to consider the new words once they get added but simply stores them?

Why is the run-time/dynamically generated word list -presumably- stored inside a database instead of just a (flat) file as the original hard-coded list is?

As it needs to be manually supervised, what could be the growth rate of this list (number of words per day)?
Are there any additional requirements (appearance frequency, ...) for the new words to get added to that automatically generated list?

Is there a necessity or are there any benefits for an online list editor over editing the original file offline and updating it during server restarts?


Cheers,
    Osl



      

Hello,

there is an entry about the automatically extended Stendhal word list  
in the bug tracker:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2457606&group_id=1111&atid=101111

It describes the problem that at some time the parser did no more  
recognice expressions containing the word "3" correctly. While it may  
look like a trivial bug, there is a longer story behind it. The parser  
in the Stendhal server needs to know about word types in order to  
decipher the English grammar. Because the initial word list in the  
source code will never be complete to handle all user input, there is  
a logic in the code to add previously unknown words in the list as  
they are detected by one of the NPCs. Their type is initially unknown.  
Anyhow this new entries have influence on the following behaviour of  
the parser. This is what explains the behavior shown in the above bug.  
The problem has been solved initially by reseting the word list in the  
server to the hard coded list.

My initial idea was to take this automatically detected new words as  
proposal to extend the word list permanently. Using a comfortable word  
list editor it would be possible to edit the word list entries and  
associate word types. This way the parser would grow and could handle  
more and more extended vocabulary. Its behavior would become better  
and better as time goes by. The word list editor could access the  
database directly using JDBC. But I initially forgot that then either  
the user interface of the word list editor would have to run on the  
server. Or the database access would have to be implemented in any  
other way between server and client. One way would be to configure a  
limited access to the MySQL port through the firewall. Another way  
would be to integrate the word list editor into the Stendhal client  
and use the already existing client/server connection to transmit the  
data.
What are your ideas and opinions about the word list editor?

Regards,

     Martin


(original text in German)

Vor einiger Zeit wurde ein Bug bzgl. der automatisch gefüllten  
Wortliste in Stendhal erfasst:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2457606&group_id=1111&atid=101111

Da ich hierzu adhoc keine Lösung parat habe, möchte ich eine kleine  
Diskussion starten.

Der Parser im Stendhal-Server ist auf die Zuordnung von Word-Typen  
angewiesen, um die englische Grammatik aufzulösen. Da die im Quellcode  
vorgegebene Liste mit nie ganz vollständig sein wird, um alle  
Benutzereingaben abzudecken, ist eine Logik im Code enthalten, die  
bisher unbekannte Wörter mit in der Liste erfasst, sobald sie von  
einem der NPCs entdeckt werden. Deren Typ ist zunächst einmal noch  
nicht bekannt. Dennoch beeinflussen diese Neueinträge das nachfolgende  
Verhalten des Parsers. Dies erklärt das im oben aufgeführten Bug  
beschriebene Verhalten. Das akute Problem wurde zunächst dadurch  
gelöst, dass die Wortliste im Server auf die im Code verdrahtete Liste  
zurückgesetzt wurde.

Meine ursprüngliche Idee war nun, diese automatisch neu erfassten  
Wörter als Vorschläge für eine permanente Erweiterung der Wortliste zu  
verwenden. Über einen komfortablen Wortlisten-Editor könnte man die  
Einträge der Wortliste nachbearbeiten und jeweils einen Wort-Typ  
zuordnen, so dass der Parser weiter reift und künftig mit dem  
erweiterten Vokabular klarkommt. Nach und nach wird sein Verhalten so  
immer besser. Dieser Wortlisten-Editor könnte direkt über JDBC auf die  
Datenbank des Servers zugreifen. Woran ich zugegebenermassen  
allerdings anfangs nicht dachte ist, dass dazu entweder die Oberfläche  
des Wortlisten-Editors auf dem Server laufen muss. Oder der Datenbank- 
Zugriff wird auf irgend eine andere Weise zwischen Server und Client  
durchgeführt. Möglich wäre hier eine über die Firewall beschränkte  
Freigabe des MySQL-Ports. Oder man könnte den Wortlisten-Editor auch  
in den Stendhal-Client integrieren und die Daten über die schon  
bestehende Client/Server-Verbindung übertragen.
Was sind Eure Ideen und Meinungen hierzu?


Grüße,

   Martin

These are the details for the next Stendhal developers meeting:

*Date and time:
Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 18:00 UTC/GMT

Please, find out your corresponding local time ("Current time zone offset") at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ 

*Place:
IRC
network: freenode - irc.freenode.net
channel: #arianne

*Topics:
(suggested list so far)

- Roadmap for the next release of Stendhal
- Celebration of Semos mine town revival for Halloween
- Adoption of "Community feel"-enhancing splash screen voting system
- Impact of the new damage system and proposal of adapted raids and new sociable offerings alternative to training to promote team work and encourage users to stay longer online.
- Coordinating support between Game Administrators.
- Evaluation of the eficient use of the means available to the project: IRC, forums, trackers, patch submision, and other collaborative tools like plone, wiki and testing procedures before a release ...
- Suggestion on ways to improve interpersonal relations inside the project.

As previously stated, this list is just a starting point, so feel free to add or comment on these topics in this forum thread:

https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5412573




      

Hi all,

We will have a meeting this Tuesday 18th December in order to talk
about the following subjects:
- Prioritising new features
- Improving stability of server
- Client refactoring
- Wiki reorganisations
- any other business

If you have any subject you would like to add, just write a line here.

We would love you all assist on Saturday, 19:00 UTC / GMT / Britain /
Spain,  20:00 Germany, 14:00 New York at irc.freenode.net
#arianne

Warmest regards,
Katie (kymara)

PS: If you haven't seen how amazing Stendhal looks recently, do
consider dropping by to look around, and say hi :)

> Hello,
> I want to work on Arianne RPG and in particular implement
> the following from the existing feature list :
>        * Dropping items over existing should swap them : Currently, dropp=
ing an item from bag to character pane , in order to equip the new item and=
 store the previous item in bag is not possible without manually inequippin=
g the item and the equipping a new one.
>     * Adding Item sets with bonuses
>     * Single click navigation: Currently, player has to double-click to a=
ttack or move, convert it into a single left click to move and a single rig=
ht click to attack.
>     * Adding Item sets with bonuses: Make an item set to get bonus stats =
instead of having items with single attributes.
>=20
> If it is fine with you, I plan on completing this by the
> 11th of December, 2007, since working on a challenging Open
> Source Project is part of my course curriculum ( and that is
> the deadline :) )

Hi Mallika,

Sure, go ahead, and send it as Patches to Sourceforge tracker.
I have to warn you that the Drop item thing is not exactly easy, so be sure=
 to test it throughly. Our previous tests ended up on items duplications an=
d/or items lost.

About the single click, it is prone it won't be accepted. One click is sele=
ct, two clicks move. Nothing is selectable on Stendhal but that's the usual=
 approach.

We meet usually at irc.freenode.net #arianne so feel free to join us there.

Regards,
Miguel


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Hello,
I want to work on Arianne RPG and in particular implement
the following from the existing feature list :
       * Dropping items over existing should swap them : Currently, dropping
an item from bag to character pane , in order to equip the new item and
store the previous item in bag is not possible without manually inequipping
the item and the equipping a new one.
    * Adding Item sets with bonuses
    * Single click navigation: Currently, player has to double-click to
attack or move, convert it into a single left click to move and a single
right click to attack.
    * Adding Item sets with bonuses: Make an item set to get bonus stats
instead of having items with single attributes.

If it is fine with you, I plan on completing this by the
11th of December, 2007, since working on a challenging Open
Source Project is part of my course curriculum ( and that is
the deadline :) )
More about me below...

About me:
I am a Master's student, studying Computer Science at New
York University, and as a requirement for one of the tougher
courses here (Production Quality Software), I was looking
for a neat Java project, and this really seems to be exactly
the kind of thing I want to work on.

Hoping for a positive response!

Thanks a lot!

Best,
     Mallika

-- 
"sometimes WiNNinG is everythinG"

On 07.11.2007 12:40:24 Miguel Angel Blanch Lardin wrote:
> I have never been friend of placing that kind of things online as they are
> not really helpful in my honest opinion.
> It may make sense to add it for Marauroa, but most of the times the javadocs
> are not complete and you need to refer to source code ( speaking of my
> personal experience ). When that happens I have tried to update the javadoc.

> Anyway, feel free to place them online if you wish.

Well I configured Doxygen to parse the source code and output information regardless of existing JavaDoc comments, and the source is inlined into the HTML pages, so you can find information about any function.
But personally I also tend to use Eclipse's "find reference" and "find in source" features if digging in source code. The main reason for such a documentation is, it looks quite pretty and can be used to say "Look here - there is documentation about all and anything!". So yes, you are right: If there is none of the developer being used to work with that kind of documentation, the usefulness is questionable and it may not be worth that 100 MB web space.

Regards,

   Martin

2007/11/4, Martin Fuchs <mar...@gm...>:
>
> Hello,
>
> I generated online source code documentation for the projects Stendhal and
> Marauaroa by using Doxygen and put it on the net:
>
> http://shell.franken.de/~sky/stendhal/
> http://shell.franken.de/~sky/marauroa/
>
> What do you think about this? If you find it useful, I may setup a cronjob
> to update it ever day after any source code change. I configured the Doxygen
> options so to create quite much information including call graphs, caller
> graphs and inlined source. I can disable some of this options if you think
> it's not needed or to make it more readable.



I have never been friend of placing that kind of things online as they are
not really helpful in my honest opinion.
It may make sense to add it for Marauroa, but most of the times the javadocs
are not complete and you need to refer to source code ( speaking of my
personal experience ). When that happens I have tried to update the javadoc.

Anyway, feel free to place them online if you wish.

Regards,
Miguel

Hello,

I generated online source code documentation for the projects Stendhal and Marauaroa by using Doxygen and put it on the net:

http://shell.franken.de/~sky/stendhal/
http://shell.franken.de/~sky/marauroa/

What do you think about this? If you find it useful, I may setup a cronjob to update it ever day after any source code change. I configured the Doxygen options so to create quite much information including call graphs, caller graphs and inlined source. I can disable some of this options if you think it's not needed or to make it more readable.

Regards,

    Martin